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[16v]

dont say get a 2ltr [ERRR] i cant afford it

What will a 2ltr mondeo throttle body do with a 2ltr maf sensor?
also if i remove the egr sytem what will i achieve there? can i fit a 1.8 focus manifold?

cheers

[lucasdemoley]

When you say you cant afford it, do you mean insurance wise, or actualy puting it in, cos if you can do it yourself you could probs do it for under £300 fairly easily.

I think you could do the cams (exspensive though), chip, use the rs1800 inlet at tb. Induction kit and a full through exhaust would help aswell. To give any meaningful power increas though, its gona cost a fair bit with the 1.6 engine in. Regularly servicing your motor can make a good diference too.

[andyleesy]

doesn't matter what you do to the 1.6 zetec engine...you will never have a big gain as it has small valves... you'd spend more money than you would diong a 2.0 conversion, just to get an extra 20bhp...
andy

[Percy!]

Using the throttle body, maf and removed the egr will free up some power who knows how much, but will at least make it more responsive, as people have said any other tuning seems like a waste when you can just put a 2.0 in

[Oranoco]

Don't bother in all honesty you end up pouring a load iof cash into something that is just not a tuneable engine. The best bet by far is to stick a 2.0 into it.

I appreciate that's not what you want to hear but it is the truth.

[16v]

i no its the truth mate i would love a 2ltr but dont [ERRR] ill be able to insure it as im onli 17

[lucasdemoley]

DO you need more power? I think any kinda performance mods will get your insurance in a twist. Stick to a decent induction kit, and exhaust sytem, and maybe a performance manifold. This way when you get abit older and can insure a 2.0, you wont have to bin all the bits.

[si 16valver]

i would get a 2.0 engine and not tell insurance cuz at the end of the day yes its illegal but there ripping all of us off anyway so f**k em im gettin 1.8 turbo engine and not tellin the baxtered..

[andyleesy]

i would get a 2.0 engine and not tell insurance cuz at the end of the day yes its illegal but there ripping all of us off anyway so fouquette em im gettin 1.8 turbo engine and not tellin the baxtered..

that sounds like a brilliant idea, and when you crash into someone they'll beat the s**t out of you (if it were me).... people like you are the reason why we ALL have to pay s**t on insurance! if i wanted to do a conversion i'd make sure i could fully afford the insurance first, perhaps because im not a c**t unlike some

[Oranoco]

i would get a 2.0 engine and not tell insurance cuz at the end of the day yes its illegal but there ripping all of us off anyway so fouquette em im gettin 1.8 turbo engine and not tellin the baxtered..

If you can't afford to insure it, don't build it.

[lucasdemoley]

i would get a 2.0 engine and not tell insurance cuz at the end of the day yes its illegal but there ripping all of us off anyway so fouquette em im gettin 1.8 turbo engine and not tellin the baxtered..

wtf. I only do the mods i can pay for. In some cases ive had to remove stuff after ive spent ages putting it on cos the insurance wont allow it.

[si 16valver]

i understand completely what you all mean but really im payin 1500 quid for insurance my excess in 1100 so if i have a crash im payin for the damage or if my 500 quid car gets nicked i havent got a car simple as this is because of without the huge excess i would of had to have a 1.1 which is no good to me as i would kill myself driving one of those but anyway dont accuse me that its my fault about high insurance its the rsoles in the late 80's and 90's that drove like pillocks and crashed every five seconds that put it up for us im in the same boat as you mate and i wouldnt crash and it be my fault because i do the speed limit and drive according to the amount of traffic and conditions so if i did have a crash it would not be my fault always thinkin was only my opinion but if you dont want to here it dont read it and tell me im the reason why young drivers pay high insurance... get

[Oranoco]

You complete goon.

I can't even beleive I'm reading the drivel you have just posted. If you can't afford to insure the car don't build it in the first place. There are no excuses and no get outs that mitigate your suggested actions.

Sorry but prats like you really are the reason insurance is so high

[si 16valver]

no need to say sorry i understand how everyone feels but just a quick question for you i turned 17 last year in june passed my test in 1 month did pass plus in a weekend and have been driving since october havnt had a crash claimed or anything etc so why would it be me thats causing the high premiums little chives that pass their test and get a citroen ax and smash it into other people because they think there michal schumacher are the ones that cause it i understand what your saying but please dont put me in the same category as them im just a ford enthusiast that loves taking care of and modifying my fiesta and dont see why the big shots that own the insurance companies should be allowed to put people in categories and statistics just because there young

[Oranoco]

Simple Fact mate young boys in cars are a bad combination. That's why the premiums are so high. You've been driving 7 months mate so you are in no place to make any comment at all as to how well you are doing. Try going 10 years without a prang and then your arguement may hold some water, at the moment it holds water as well as a rusty sieve.

As I stated in my last post , there are no mitigating arguements for your proposal. It is stupidity of the highest order. You are too young and need to learn how to handle a car before stepping up the ladder. The only way to do this is with experience and that's just something you don't have.

Take a step back and take a long hard look at what you are suggesting. I put money if you see your posts in 5 yeras time you will cringe

[si 16valver]

extremely good point and yes obviously i have got no experience which is why i dont think im schumacher i drive quick occasionally but as i say weather and traffic conditions permitting i know what you mean about looking back in 5 years i agree with all of that not saying any different you opened my eyes abit but actually i did believe the same theory dont build it unless you can insure it because my old man always told me the same thing near enough he said dont do anything unless you tell em or else youll be fcked which is true but the argument of you and the other lad on here telling me that im the reason of everyone paying high insurance is bumblesquat so if you could take it back i would be much appreciative as this offends me soz

[Oranoco]

I did almost a year in my first car and drove as you say you do. Due to my lack of experience though I got a little out of my depth and didn't know how to sort it. Now I would know exactly what to do and would have picked it up but at the time all ended with a screech and a bang. The only thing more bent than my gold Escort was the postbox I hit.

[si 16valver]

contradicting myself abit but i dont think im schumacher but i have the reactions of a fly i have been sideways in ice and managed to control the car and not slam into the barrier and off the bridge onto the M1 now thats scary also have been flying round little lanes and from wheels have lost all grip and managed to control it to where i went in the grass but just missed the fence and barbed wire also reacted to a foriegner or however you spell it that pulled out in front of me while i was comin round the roundabout at about 40 in his left had drive mk3 astra estate and he didnt look to see if owt wo coming and pulled straight onto the dual carriageway into the right hand lane which as you can imagine stumped me cuz he was doing 10 mph so i reacted instantly and slammed the anchors on which i know the si has abs but as anyone else with one will tell you its rubbish not like bmw abs or owt so im not tryin to say im a driving god but i wouldnt say im your avaerage 7monther

[Oranoco]

im not tryin to say im a driving god but i wouldnt say im your avaerage 7monther

That comment alone screams to me that you are exactly that an average 7 monther. Sorry mate but when you have some years under your belt you will see things differently.

I find I actually shudder at the thought of how I used to drive.

[285Andy]

you insure your car as a 1.6. so if you change your engine for a 2.0L then its not insured as you lied to you insurer. you'll get fook all and the poor f**k you drive into will get sod all aswell. what if you run someone over and kill them? ever thought about that? i couldnt drive round without insurance thats for sure.

[si 16valver]

ill take your word for it if im supposed to be rubbish now which im not being funny im listening to your experience but if im rubbish now i cant wait to see how well i can drive in a few years should be good and no you cant drive round without insurance but the fact is like i mentioned above i have 1100 excess on a 500 quid car so if i do crash not covered anyway and if i run into someone and its my fault then your right im fouquete but do i speed the answer in only when im racing my mate in is 1.4sri corsa c cuz really the vauxhall come and go but in the end will they ever know no they wont soz again guys im at work bored to death am just tryin to have a laugh and cheer myself up abit i have to sit at a computer and take calls from people about the internet telling me how its not working and how bad it is what do you expect its wanadoo

[Percy!]

It has to be said everybody thinks they are the best driver on earth.

Its very well saying you don't drive like a prick so won't have a accident but the word accident does mean it wasn't intentional, and yes this can happen even when driving nicely.

I had to pay £1500 on a 1.1 in my first year and I am now paying £1200 on a VTS with a few years under my belt.

I have to say if my first car was my 2.0 fez or my VTS then I would probably have hurt myself by now as some of the stupid things I did then would ahve been going 3 times faster at the time.

You will find insuring a 2.0 si isn't much higher that a 1.6 si anyway.

[si 16valver]

i have heard that is it true that the insurer obviously depending on who it is but do they tend to take it as a modeo if it is a mondeo in there

[mmorgan88]

Im 17 and know im not some racing driver. Although I drive quickly everynow and then two experiences have now meant i drive so much safer than before its amazing what difference a year of driving can make. I also thought i was a good driver until I crashed and nearly wrote my car off and spun it out on ice. Im now extremley cautious and cant believe how much of a gammon slipper I used to drive like.

This was in a 1.1 imagine this in a much more powerful car than I was used too and not being insured. Its a twatish thing to do and you will indeed come unstuck at one point. See sense and get some experience and NCB before upping your engine size.

I now understand why insurance charge so much for young drivers paticuaraly when you look at the amount of young male drivers at my school who have crashed and wrote cars off.

Sorry. Rant over

[Tweek]

What a gammon slipper, if you can't afford to insure it don't build it. If you go ahead with it I hope you get pulled and taken to the fudgekin cleaners.

Have a small runaround for a couple of years until you're old enough to be able to insure it ffs. tugger

Ok I'm calm

[andyleesy]

ill take your word for it if im supposed to be rubbish now which im not being funny im listening to your experience but if im rubbish now i cant wait to see how well i can drive in a few years should be good and no you cant drive round without insurance but the fact is like i mentioned above i have 1100 excess on a 500 quid car so if i do crash not covered anyway and if i run into someone and its my fault then your right im fouquete but do i speed the answer in only when im racing my mate in is 1.4sri corsa c cuz really the vauxhall come and go but in the end will they ever know no they wont soz again guys im at work bored to death am just tryin to have a laugh and cheer myself up abit i have to sit at a computer and take calls from people about the internet telling me how its not working and how bad it is what do you expect its wanadoo

i understand your the worlds most talented driver, but what if one day you crash and your not insured and you hit someone's merc... you f**cked and unless you got pockets like bill gates you'll be right up s**t creek

[mk3dean]

well i had a crappy 1.3 escort 4 when i was 17, now im 18 i have got a 1.3 fezz with moddfied insurance, but has loads of resuticsion(sp) im lookin 4 a mint 1.6si 4 in feb when i have a years noclaims and b 19 4 a 2ltr conversion, every1 i no modded there car and aint told there insurers and laugh at me [ERRR] i did, but at the end of the day im drivin round in a legal car unlike them.

but basicly at the end of the day u need to get experince b4 u start gettin more powerfull cars thats y im waitin, and not to bad drivin around in a 1.3. plus i wouldnt say im a good driver as ive made my mistakes but nothing throu the insurers


Dean

[:: blade ::]

i wouldnt crash and it be my fault because i do the speed limit and drive according to the amount of traffic and conditions so if i did have a crash it would not be my fault

it may not be your fault but there are other drivers that might go into you, ive been driving for comming upto three years, i know in another 3 years i will be a better driver than i am today, when i 1st started driving in my 1.0 micra, and i admit i did drive like a prick all because i had a car and had some freedom. and learnt my lesson when i wrote it off. 2 and a half years down the line, i have learnt my lesson, im payin £1500 fully comp on my insurance with a £500 excess on a car which is worth around £400, but i have declared all my mods, and i will still do in the future, and i will most definaly declare the 2.0 when i get it done next year, as i dont want to get bannd from driving from havin no insurance,

Rant over

[Sphinx]

I don’t want to get into an argument here but realistically, if some one in a 16v Si, with mot, tax and insurance of course, was in an accident and it had a 2.0, given that the engines look identical, how would anyone know? Unless a trained mechanic had the car on ramps and checked out the marking on the block, no one would know. Even so, why would your average copper/insurance even suspect the engine had been changed if it looks identical (obviously if the car is heavily modified then I wouldn’t be surprised if the engine was checked) I’m not condoning not declaring modifications to your insurance but I don’t think it’s the crime of the century.

[si 16valver]

thank you sphinx thats what i need to here none of these at the end of the day rubbish and build it if you can insure it get your car maxed beat ya mate in his vauxhall have a laugh and if you die doin it hell at least it was worth it

[Becks]

Whats all this gammon slipper buisness???

In my opinion everyone should start off with a 1.1 or 1.2 you need to learn how to handle a car first....as my driving instructor said 'im only teaching you how to pass your test' the real driving skill comes from experience.....i dont think after 7mths of driving your ready for a 2.0l!!!!

Ive been driving years and just got a 1.6si...and i still scare myself sometimes!!!!

Plus if you crash into someone and you didnt tell your insurance wont that void your whole insurance????!!! So the person you crash into wont get any money....id be pretty mad if i was certain people on here that have put a whole lotta time and money into their cars!!!!

[chumkila]

I didn't know you could "tunne" an Si.

[Sphinx]

I don’t want people to get confused with what I said; I don’t condone not declaring modifications to insurers because technically it means the insurance is void. The point I am trying to make is that (forget technicality’s and abiding by the letter of the law), in the case of swapping a 1.6 zetec for a 2.0 zetec, because the engines are identical to look at to the untrained eye, insurance would only be void IF it was found out. There are far bigger contributors to the high insurance premiums we all pay, like car thieves and people who drive with no tax, no mot, no insurance, no licence, drunk, drugged up etc etc and yes, young lads who crash their cars, BUT, insured or not (void) premiums will still go up for the rest of us.
I do totally agree with the sentiments of others that young male drivers all have an inflated opinion of their own driving. I know, I’ve been there. Thinking you’re a good driver isn’t big headed, but it is uneducated when you have very little experience in what actually makes a good driver.
One more thing, ‘si 16valver’ please, for the love of god, use some punctuation in your posts so that they’re easier to read.

[si 16valver]

yes sphinx i know what you mean just read last post. becks if i smashed into you and it was my fault and i wrote your car off thats say worth 5k i would have a court settled agreement that would declare how much money i had to pay you per month from my wages or you would be granted a loan and get the 5k straightaway and i would then have to pay the loan off so if this did happen and i did bang a 2.0 in it would be at my own risk and someone mentioned what if you ran over a kid like once you have a 2.0 engine in the car automatically drives really quick everywhere and if i did drive stupid i would go to prison on a manslaughter charge if i had a 1.1 or a 5.0 v8 in makes no difference
i agree with sphinx still that the zetec look the same and on top of that i shall say this now you only go as fast as you put your foot on the loud pedal...

[285Andy]

if you knock over and kill someone, your car doesnt get checked over by an insurance adjuster it will get carted away to the police pound where it will be picked apart by trained crash investigaters who may well possibly spot the difference. they also may not. you take the chance. like i said, rather you than me mate tbh, i cant see the insurers upping the premium that much over a 1.6?