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[Greyxr2]

whats the next step to take after the rs1800 setup?

obviously the most common will work best...thats why people do it, so whats available for the zetec?

is it tb's and headwork next for the best gains?

cheers

[fiend]

Swap it for a 2.0 Zetec.

Then either throtle bodies or turbo.

[happypaul]

Be a sheep and use the 2.0ltr engine as said.

But the 1800 lump can be used in the same ways. Just not for realy high power like the 2.0ltrs

[Oranoco]

2 litre and bike carbs! Done it on an XR2 and it flies. Throroughly upset a lad in a Rover 220 Turbo. pimsle

[j7aoc]

What management was on the xr2 ?

[Greyxr2]

how much better will the 2.0 be on throttle bodies than the 1.8?

what management will bike carbs need?

will throttle bodies need a stand alone management?

thanks

[MK2 Jamie]

1. The 2.0 will have a couple more bhp over the 1.8 but the main thing is that it will be more torquey because its a larger engine.
2. Not sure on that
3. Yes they will, once the car is on throttle bodies it will need to be rolling roaded to be set up.

[matty872]

What management was on the xr2 ?

The xr2 is using the ford esc module with the vacume advance/retard. I helped him do the install ie. wiring+fueling.

[dangermouse]

is there any other ways to get good power without TBs, turbos or an engine swap?

[Ruishy1]

you have just ousted all the main players for power
unless you get out and push, your not gonna get much better

[dangermouse]

haha get out and push, sod it i ride my push bike lol. yea i no i did lol, but TBs looking at like 2000, turbo like 3000 maybe (hard to get insured aswell), and engine swap wont have much more power anyway lol.

what about cams and stuff?

[Makaveli]

You could always use NOS, not really a permanent power increase though.

I reckon the costs are a little OTT, yeah a set of Jenvy TB's with Omex or simillar would cost £2000 but you could use GSXR throttle bodies and megasquirt and bring it in for well under a grand and make good power (try doing a search). Simmilarly there are budget ways of building a a zetec turbo or even ZVH with second hand components which could be done for a simillar money, just depends how good you are with spanners

[dangermouse]

where can you get mega squirt from? ive heard of it but never seen it advertised or anything
plus throttle bodies dont give a massive improvement over power or do they? i bet the old mpg goes down a fair bit (not that im bothered lol) i have to see if theres a guide on here to fitting TB's anyone know of a thread to save me a lil time lol.
wot gsxr bodies would it be also 600 or 1000?

im not to bad with a set of spanners, also ive got like 5 or 6 mates who work at a ford dealership and 3 of those have built their own turbos etc so ive allways got help

[Makaveli]

I would guess that you'd see around a 30bhp+ gain over 130ps spec with a set of throttle bodies. Not sure about mpg but have read that its not that bad deppending on the mapping.

As for size lots people use gsxr1000 bodies which are 42mm in diameter however gsxr600 bodies will give more low down torque and are usually a lot cheaper and are 38mm in diameter. The easiest route for fitting them is using an st170 manifold although you can have custom ones made by people like bog bros etc. This guide was written by a memeber on here and gives a good idea of how to fit the throttle bodies:

http://www.sportingfords.com/forums/vie ... 574#p19574

Also look for posts in the members gallery by Asad he was one of the first that I know of to fit gsxr TB's to a zetec fiesta.

For megasquirt try:

http://shop.diyefi.co.uk/index.php/megasquirt?limit=all

Seems to be the best price although not bought mine yet, busy sorting out the rot and the suspension atm.

[dangermouse]

yeah new suspension kit and rust is on my agenda also with a new gearbox lol.
ive heard the car can run lumpy with throttle bodies on it? would i need to up rate my cams and maybe pulleys? i suppose a decent garage would be able to map the megasquirt and the cams etc?
do you have RS1800 or a turbo?

[dangermouse]

http://www.mtechautomotive.co.uk/ZetecTBKit.html

found this link, sounds like a good deal, what you reakon? are they a reputable place?

[Makaveli]

£950 fitted and mapped seems like a good deal, could manage it cheaper if you DIY'd it but then its down to how much free time you have. Heard some good things about m-tech, think the guy that runs it is on here. Well setup throttle bodies should be as smooth as a standard car and can be used to 'tame' a wild cam.

After throttle bodies I think your next options would be head work, cams and exhaust manifold/sports cat, assuming you already have a decent exhaust sytem if you wanted to keep it an 1800, but in many ways you would be better off fitting the 2.0l zetec along with or after the TB's because as my old man says "theres no substitute for cubes". With a 2l lump you'll see better returns for the modifications and they can be had for around £100 in breakers yards as all the early mondeos they were fitted to have rusted away.

Mine is a 16v XR2i, looked at a few RS1800's but settled for this as the insurance was cheaper and the shell was in decent condition.

[dangermouse]

they both the same car really, only a few quid to make them the same anyway. theres no substitute for cubes lol good saying. have you modded your engine much? will i have to tell dvla if i swap the engine over? surely insurance company wouldnt no if i did?

yeah i thought it seemed good too, especially because they map it aswell, although its not mega squirt.

my mums bf used to have a 2litre si mondeo and that thing was bullet proof, would it be much quicker than my 1800?

[Makaveli]

Yep would have to decalre it to the DVLA, and it will invalidate your insurance if they find out so I can't advise not decalring all mods.

Not driven a 2.0l fiesta yet so could tell you but in terms of power to weight ratio and power it would be pretty close to the clio 16 valver I used to have and that was noticabley quicker than the fiesta. Not done much with the engine yet, just the usual full stainless system and K&n 57i, which I don't really like as it suffers from really bad heat soak but it was on there when i bought the car. I have a set of GSXR TB's that I was planning to fit with a megasquirt however I am now tempted to save my money and go for a duratec conversion which although alot of work I think would be worth while as the engine is very tunable and also a lot lighter than a zetec.

[dangermouse]

duratec? from what ford? that would quite an involved conversion, be alot more expensive than the TB's surely? what litre was you thinking of?
i saw a red rs1800 with a focus st170 engine and the gearbox to go with it, he took the dials out the focus aswell. i think its on sale on piston heads, unless its already sold. that must be a pretty un-nerving ride lol.
yeah i know what your saying about the clio. my mate craig had a 1.8, the older shape one like the williams, and that was much quicker than me

[Makaveli]

the 2.0 duratec can be had from the mk3 mondeo however if I was to do it I would try and get my hands on the 2.3 lump from the US focus. True the conversion is a lot more involved than just fitting throttle bodies to the engine thats in there and I am currently doing some research into how difficult and expensive the conversion would be. On the plus side however the engine is 20kg light due to being and all aluminium block and cna easily make 200bhp with just a set of throttle bodies and standard internals.

The red RS1800 was build by lad on here with the user name jimmyesh, try searching for MANJ. He is now doing a duratec conversion that I am watching very closely

[dangermouse]

that engine be hard to come by though if its from the USA? or is it easily come by?
i will say that my fiesta is way too heavy, my mates little 106 rallye, that has 8v's and standard steel wheels, still nearly does me.
wow thats pretty good figures, but if you start fitting an engine like that would the throttle bodies fit? wouldn't they then be at the front of the car aswell?

that RS was pretty good, ill look him up. haha watch for his mistakes and problems then your turn to have a go

[Makaveli]

The engine can be found relaatively easily, obviously a bit more work than popping down to the local breakers but I think they can be sourced through people like Burton power etc, or sourced direct from the states but thats a bit more complex. yep it would still be a traverse mounted fwd, the bit I'm not sure about at the moment is the gearbox.

I have stripped the interior out of my fiesta and found good results, although I'm not sure its for everyone as I have a high tolerance for rattles and noise.

[dangermouse]

yeah dont worry im used to my car making odd noises every now and then lol. i wouldnt think taking the rea bench out would make much difference though, so i thought about my spare wheel aswell. not as if im ever going to use the crappy ford jack again after it turning into some very weird shapes and moving when my head is under the sills inspecting stuff.

oh yeah forgot about burton power, they are really helpful whenever ive spoke to them. be a bit expensive though?
ebay, im sure that will turn up an engine, ask that jimmyesh guy, as they are the same gearbox arent they, is it the MTX?

[Makaveli]

think the duratec breaks the ford mould of sharing the same bellhousing. i think the gearbox I need would be from a 6sp petrol Mk3 mondeo (would be a MT285 as the MTX is only a 5 cog). Agreed all the tuners seem to want a premium for a 2.3 duratec so will have to source one else where.