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[MattPym]

Hi,

I'm currently making my parts list for my upcoming ZT build.

I believe i heard before that the exhaust manifold off a 200sx would fit a zetec reasonably well!

Now i have three questions

1) Is this true?

2) If it does fit how close a fit is it?

3) Is it the manifold from an SR20DET or a CA18DET



Cheers
Matt

[j7aoc]

Never heard that i know you can use the injectors

[freak power]

It can be done as i have made many adaptors plates on the CNC

[Adam31]

I believe Dan from the Fast ford mag is using one on his zetec turbo sierra, as far as I am aware its not to hard to fit.

[crazycage]

Hi,

I'm currently making my parts list for my upcoming ZT build.

I believe i heard before that the exhaust manifold off a 200sx would fit a zetec reasonably well!

Now i have three questions

1) Is this true?

2) If it does fit how close a fit is it?

3) Is it the manifold from an SR20DET or a CA18DET



Cheers
Matt

heres a pic of one fitted to my fiesta turbo and the cvh ports are the same spacing as the zetec, not that hard to do

[MattPym]

Hmm interesting,

I thing i'll get one and try it then! There ten a penny so it shouldn't be too expensive! That or i nick me bro's one...I'd say he'd notice it missing though


Matt

[jimmyesh]

The port spacings and size are correct for the Zetec but the bolt-holes are in different Places so you just need to either drill/tap the head (Be carefull of water jackets! )or get a mounting plate made up (Dan from Fast Ford mag has done this on his Zetec-turbo Sierra).

I'm currently building a Black-Top ZetecTurbo for my Mk1 Escort I'm using a Nissan 200SX SR20Det inlet plenum, Throttle Body and injectors (More options than Zetec). This inlet setup is perfect for me as the throttle will be at the front of the engine-bay so I can route the pipe-work to the intercooler more neatly and efficiently.

The good thing about Nissan 200SX exhaust manifolds (yep I'm using one too! ) is that you can buy nice, tubular ones pretty cheaply and aren't scarce/silly overpriced like a lot of Focus RS stuff!

Hope that helps matey!

[MattPym]

Well i got in contact with Dan from Fast Ford yesterday about using a 200sx exhaust manifold and basically he said that i would be better off using an ERST manifold as he found that the 200sx manifold does'nt quite fit 100% even with a spacer plate!

Even still i might get one any way and give it a try for the hell of it! If it does'nt work out i'll go for an ERST manifold.




Cheers
Matt

[jimmyesh]

Well i got in contact with Dan from Fast Ford yesterday about using a 200sx exhaust manifold and basically he said that i would be better off using an ERST manifold as he found that the 200sx manifold does'nt quite fit 100% even with a spacer plate!

Even still i might get one any way and give it a try for the hell of it! If it does'nt work out i'll go for an ERST manifold.




Cheers
Matt

Blimey!! Kinda glad I got a Focus RS manifold with heatshield for the princely sum of £42 on Ebay last night now!

[JayC]

jimmy on what youve just got your hands on.. what turbos fit? im uneducated on the manifold to turbo flange plate, are they the same on both erst and frs?

im not knocking what anyone says they may know alot more than me.. but im sure one manifold bolted up with an adaptor plate cant be much different to another manifold in terms of how well it fits.. can it?

which is more closest to the zetec head, the cvh manifold or the 200sx? i think that needs clearing up

intresting thread chaps , im half glued to anything zt at the mo because i want to also start collecting up...

[MattPym]

From what i've read and been told the CVH is a better fit but the ports on 200sx one are spaced better and a better size!

I wouldn take is a gospel in anyway though cause i hav'nt tried any manifolds against the block yet!

[jimmyesh]

jimmy on what youve just got your hands on.. what turbos fit? im uneducated on the manifold to turbo flange plate, are they the same on both erst and frs?

im not knocking what anyone says they may know alot more than me.. but im sure one manifold bolted up with an adaptor plate cant be much different to another manifold in terms of how well it fits.. can it?

which is more closest to the zetec head, the cvh manifold or the 200sx? i think that needs clearing up

intresting thread chaps , im half glued to anything zt at the mo because i want to also start collecting up...

Hi JayC! Yeah the Focus RS manifold fits the "GT" Series turbos such as the GT25, GT28 etc but Not the "T3" type of the RST etc. I'm using a GT25 from the Nissan 200SX (good for up to 250bhp i think) as it has a 5-bolt exhaust exit housing so I can utilise the Nissan 200sx exhaust elbow and down pipe as the '200 is RWD just like my diminutive MK1 Escort!

I've lined my 200sx inlet manifold up to my scrap Zetec Head to ascertain how well the ports line up and they don't line up perfectly but are close enough to to fit using some creativity! I want this manifold to go onto my Zetec so much as it looks so neat and clean and is obviously a RWD manifold so the throttle body will be at the front of the 'bay (where it should be! ) and I then have the option to run with the wider choice of 200sx injectors too!

[JayC]

i was wondering about the posibility of cutting a stainless 200sx manifold's plate off and welding it to another staintless plate for the zetec..

if the ports are just slightly left or right, and laterily all the same hight then it could possibly be really easy to make a good manifold..

ive seen the stainless manifolds pretty cheap, as said alot cheaper because of mass production, im sure quality isnt to bad

[JayC]

jimmy where does the 3 bolt side of the elbow point i guess sods law would say its not directly inline with the original zetec downpipe?

i might still end up going for a 200sx manifold yet, if the exhaust face of a CVH is the same as the zetec then i should have clearence based on crazycage's picture.. crazy what radiator are you using there?

does the turbo end up in the same place as the standard cvh setup or did you have to rework alot of the intake/exhaust etc?

[jimmyesh]

Jay C: I haven't got a 200sx manifold or elbow at hand at the moment but I'd hazard a well-educated guess that the 3-bolt part of the elbow will point the wrong way for a fwd car, as the SX is rwd so the downpipe will run "in-line" with the engine rather than "perpendicular" to the engine as Focus RS, RST's etc. The Garrett GT25 of the Focus RS uses a different exhaust exit housing to that of the 200sx but the housings still point the same way as each other, just the focus downpipe bends under the engine whereas the 200sx one goes in line with the engine. The FRS manifold and 200sx manifold both use the same GT-series flange aligned the same way though

Definitely worth thinking about cutting a zetec flange off and getting it swapped for the SX plate, no silly spacers or bodged head drilling. A good, budget way to get a nice, shiny tubular manifold. - The port spacings are almost correct and could easily be made to allign onto the Zetec Plate then some good quality welding would get you there

[Oranoco]

What's wrong with the tried and tested Escort RS Turbo manifold. It's proven time an dtime ahgain and there are planty of CVH cars making 300bhp+ and my mates own Zetec Turbo Fiesta uses one to make a proven 365bhp at the wheels on it's lower boost setting

[jimmyesh]

What's wrong with the tried and tested Escort RS Turbo manifold?

Nothing really mate!

I just wanted one with a GT-series flange in order that I can run a modern GT25 Turbo on the Zetec I'm putting in my MK1 Escort, Therefore the RST one would be no use for me, I'm not disputing the fact that people have wrung very good power from the CVH one

[Oranoco]

Fair enough fella, seems you have logical reasons behind the manifold swap. I just get used to hearing so many people bang on about manifolds where they really aren't needed. Christian from APT runs with a GT series turbo on his S2 so it may be worth dropping him a shout on PassionFord. He's always been very helpfull with me when I've asked questions.

[Phoenix666]

it would be worth seeing some rolling road figures between the s2 and 200sx manifolds to see what the difference is if any!

and simply cutting off the plate off the 200sx manifold would work well as you then have little flexability to moves tubes slightly. might try that and stick some pics up, just waiting on TiG rods then i'll give it a go.

hmmmmmmm let me dig out my bosses s2 exhaust plate (lol got one just need manifolds lol) aswe have a 200sx tubular one here now

mwahahahahaha

[JayC]

hey im not knocking the CVH manifold.. infact just going over it in my head last night i thought it would proberly be the simplest route..

200sx manifold does look bufty tho

[SamT]

ports shapes are wrong and spacing is out. i'll try and dig out some pics showing this

[SamT]

heres im showing a zetec exhaust manifold flange, on top of a 200sx manifold

[MattPym]

Is that an SR20 or CA18 manifold??

[jimmyesh]

That looks like an SR20det manifold to me. Yeah they're slightly out but waddaya expect - It is from a Nissan after all! Anyone with half a brain and some decent welding gear could make a fantastic Zetec turbo manifold using that Zetec flange plate and the 200Sx manifold for a fraction of the cost that some people charge for some you read about (Focus RS ones for example!).

[MattPym]

That is a good point. You'd want to be up on your welding though!

[MattPym]

Just found this.. Looks like a good place to make a start off a custom ZT exhaust!

http://www.bmcrace.com/

They even have turbine outlet flanges

I've decided that i'll have a go at a custom manifold, That way i can have it all positioned the way i want


Matt

[jimmyesh]

Just found this.. Looks like a good place to make a start off a custom ZT exhaust!

http://www.bmcrace.com/

They even have turbine outlet flanges

I've decided that i'll have a go at a custom manifold, That way i can have it all positioned the way i want


Matt

Good find there Matt, I wouldn't try and make a complete manifold from scratch as the manufacturers often spend lots of time/money on R&D with lots of time spent on the dyno experimenting with different header lengths etc.

If I were you I'd just buy one of those nice tubular 200SX ones for peanuts, carefully cut the Nissan Header flange off then get the zetec header flange welded on instead.

[MattPym]

It is'nt in my nature to do things the easy way

That is true jimmy but if i did that straight away i woud'nt learn anything plus i love a challenge

I've been reading up on turbo exhaust manifold design so i'm up for giving it a go! It wont cost much as far as supplies go so if it works terribly it wont be a total loss!

[freak power]

Just found this.. Looks like a good place to make a start off a custom ZT exhaust!

http://www.bmcrace.com/

They even have turbine outlet flanges

I've decided that i'll have a go at a custom manifold, That way i can have it all positioned the way i want


Matt

I can do that sort of thing easy

[Phoenix666]

just to clear up something for people actually having a go,

where your manifold might be stainless it'll be rare to actually find the plate (where the manifold attaches to the head) is usually mild steel as stainless doesn't work well.

just thought i'd let people know so they know what their doing.

also rememeber stainless steel ISN'T magnetic

Will

[MattPym]

What makes parts or manifolds??

[JayC]

yes pheonix i thought the same thing.. them plates are mild... :S

im no expert on the types.. but im pretty sure welding mild to stainless sucks ass.

[Phoenix666]

it can do,

remember also that its 8/10mm plate which is being welded to 1-1.2/1.5mm stainless tube,

baffles my head how they get it so good and i'm not shy with a welder either

[JayC]

the best of the best tig welders or somthin? they do make a very fine job of it i have to agree