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[Tweek]

8.8 bolts are considered "HT" but they're more the "average" strength. I personally wouldn't use 8.8 bolts in anything that's going to get punished.

Obviously I don't know what bolts they use but just for future reference, for important joints, only use 10.9s

[MATT-FRST]

i have snapped 2 10.9 bolts tweak2k5

they are sending me some more!


heeman - did they say anything about TRQ setting or anything regarding the mounts?

[heeman10]

Nope, no torque settings given with the instructions or suggested at any point before, during or after fitment.

[Brammer]

Is the problem with deflex mounts only with the bolt?? as i haven't heard anyone say the material has split, ripped etc... I have 12.9 bolts at work so if its only the bolts that are the issue then i'll get some and test them with my bolts.

[Tweek]

snapping 10.9s, ouch, something not right there

[MATT-FRST]

with me i just rip the bolt apart


i might think about getting the 12.9 too



mine are arriving tommorrow and i asked about TRQ settings so if they send something with the new bolt i will let you know

[CarismaDave]

Jim, see what you are saying and agree to the point where people who go on public forums are unlikely to buy due to all the horror stories...however you are making the error that a few people do.....internet forums are a VERY small part of the Ford (and other marque) tuning world! People who don't go on the internet only have the ads to go by and will continue to buy.

For example...I have publically slated Adrian Flux on MANY websites...giving every reason why I nearly went to court befre they returned money to me over 6 years ago.....and yet people still use them and are surprised when they don't pay up

I see your point but I'm sure you see mine

Dave

[DaveZetec]

From what I have read and can see, it doesn't look like the strength of the bolt is the problem.

The design of these mounts is just flawed, and with the stress the bolt endures, any bolt would eventually fatigue and break. Stronger bolts will only delay this, but they'll go in the end.

[heeman10]

It's not just people talking on forums, because we all hear/learn things on here, then speak about them to our mates. So for every one person who hears Deflex are crap, perhaps ten of their mates will hear about it, and their mates etc etc...it's all publicity, and poor publicity will kill business!

[FezzR]

Jim, you clearly see it differently but, all this talk of them being slated and people not buying the product in my eyes is irrelevant.

You brought goods,
Goods are not fit for purpose,
Manufacturer/supplier are obliged to resolve the problem so that they are

[MarkFRST]

I wouldn't trust the OEM mounts with 200bhp as far as I could throw them!

I changed mine for a new set of OE mounts as mine is under 160bhp and i now have dints in my bonnet, not pleased seems the only way is vibratech.

I never had a problem with std mounts and 160bhp no bonnet dint in 20k+ miles.
My friend used vibratech mounts and they broke after 500 miles lol, that was with about 150bhp.. much worse then std ones he put on after (no problem then)

Did i see someone mention on here (maybe Mark Stewart) that if you keep breaking them the chassis is bent? might be wrong, cant rememeber.

[FezzR]

I wouldn't trust the OEM mounts with 200bhp as far as I could throw them!

I changed mine for a new set of OE mounts as mine is under 160bhp and i now have dints in my bonnet, not pleased seems the only way is vibratech.

I never had a problem with std mounts and 160bhp no bonnet dint in 20k+ miles.
My friend used vibratech mounts and they broke after 500 miles lol, that was with about 150bhp.. much worse then std ones he put on after (no problem then)

Did i see someone mention on here (maybe Mark Stewart) that if you keep breaking them the chassis is bent? might be wrong, cant rememeber.

Blast from the past

good to see you still about matey

[MarkFRST]

Of course i'm still about, someones got to keep an eye on you

[heeman10]

Jim, you clearly see it differently but, all this talk of them being slated and people not buying the product in my eyes is irrelevant.

You brought goods,
Goods are not fit for purpose,
Manufacturer/supplier are obliged to resolve the problem so that they are

How is that differing from what I said? Not sure what you're getting at

I never had a problem with std mounts and 160bhp no bonnet dint in 20k+ miles.
My friend used vibratech mounts and they broke after 500 miles lol, that was with about 150bhp.. much worse then std ones he put on after (no problem then)

The difference between 160bhp and 200bhp is a big one, we're talking a 25% increase in power. I don't know how hard yours was used, but when a car's essentially built for nothing but enthusiastic, full-on use, such things simply cannot be left to chance. I don't know what happened with the set of Vibra-Technics mounts, but I'd suspect faulty fitting - they have a good reputation by most accounts, and should be just fine with lower power outputs.

[Superal]

I need to replace a front mount what do I go for

[FezzR]

From what you've said they are making no effort to replace or refund your mounts, therefore not forfilling their obligation

I never intended on taking legal action, but consider their move and attitude to be a foolish one given their business.

my point was similar to Dave's. they are essentially getting away with ripping people off. Giving them a bad reputation is fair enough and well founded it would appear but doesnt actually benifit you in anyway does it, where as Legal action and usually just the threat off, may well do

[heeman10]

Oh okay, I see what you're saying now I haven't made a point of slating them for the hell of it as some people do (e.g. a certain FT member who was taken for a ride by an eBay member and started a faceparty account using his email addy etc), to me all that is as bad as annoyed women pouring brake fluid on their ex's beloved cars. I've merely voiced my opinions and experiences whenever people ask about the quality of their gearbox mounts, and posted pics of what happened to mine - which raised the scary fact that I was by no means alone!

[FezzR]

Oh okay, I see what you're saying now I haven't made a point of slating them for the hell of it as some people do (e.g. a certain FT member who was taken for a ride by an eBay member and started a faceparty account using his email addy etc), to me all that is as bad as annoyed women pouring brake fluid on their ex's beloved cars. I've merely voiced my opinions and experiences whenever people ask about the quality of their gearbox mounts, and posted pics of what happened to mine - which raised the scary fact that I was by no means alone!

like i said "bad reputation ... well founded"

[BUTRE]

This is how an engine mount should be: bolt-rubber-bolt.
The rubber in the middle of the two bolts MUST work/bend/flex. If a bolt goes throught the rubber then the rubber isnt making spork when the engine goes forward or backwards, and yes the bolt WILL break not matter its strength.

The std ones, ford diesel ones and vibratech ones are made the right way (not talking about the rubber and bolts strenght but the design). If deflex ones have a bolt going throught the rubber section, then don't spend your money on them.

On the FRST its the location of the gearbox mounts that cause problems. They should have been mounted far apart from each other. Simple to explain: stand up and get your feet apart has the elbows. Now, get them even far apart from your elbows distance. In each of this two situations do you thing its more stable for your body?

[fiecos dan]

i have devoloped the deflex mount,

And when Heeman told me of his failure, i told deflex to pull it off their shelfs till the design is sorted. But they didn't.


i have now got a full new design, and have decovered what was coursing the failures of the bolts, and orange sleeves.

My design has been on my tt for 3 months, and 3k very hard miles, including 2 trackdays on slicks, and a visit to brunters with out any problem.


But till i disclose pic's of the design, i'm waiting on Deflex to reply to my emails.

If they dont, i'm gonna go my own way, and try and sort someone to make me the bush part of the mounts, and i'll supplie the rest.

And they will be fully developed and tested before sale.

[Brammer]

Sounds good dan

[heeman10]

Just do it yourself Dan, they were absolutely bloody useless when I tried to deal with them. I too told them I wanted them to stop making/selling the mount after the troubles I had with them, but they didn't. Nor did they pay out the compensation they said they would. They also stopped replying to my emails, and were always "busy" when I tried to call. The actions of dormant cowboys IMO, slinging their "300bhp guaranteed" figures around then running away when they disintegrate. Do it your own way if you can matey, go head to head

[snake]

done 2000ish miles on vibratechnic mounts and never had a prob, 196bhp.

[heeman10]

I've done over 4,000 on mine and all's well, naturally

[zachspeed]

i was just about to ring em and buy these bottom arms they are advertising has eny one had eny problems with theses...

[heeman10]

FT.com user escortbreakers.co.uk posted that image of his Deflex lower arm two months ago.

[fiecos dan]

As i've never worked on a FRST,

what does a std one look like??


As that one in pic look very std.

[heeman10]

As i've never worked on a FRST,

what does a std one look like??


As that one in pic look very std.

Check my thread here matey:

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/viewt ... ght=camber

[MATT-FRST]

still waiting fro my bolts to arrive

never sent them out and i had to source my own to get me to leeds

[fiecos dan]

As i've never worked on a FRST,

what does a std one look like??


As that one in pic look very std.

Check my thread here matey:

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/viewt ... ght=camber

How are they adjustable? does the ball joint have slots for holes??

[zachspeed]

just seached escortbreakers.co.uk nothing found realy need poly bushed bottom arms un sure now if i sould buy deflex ones, eny ideas how much and where can i get some, i want to fit em and forget

[Raymondo]

As i've never worked on a FRST,

what does a std one look like??


As that one in pic look very std.

Check my thread here matey:

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/viewt ... ght=camber

How are they adjustable? does the ball joint have slots for holes??

Yes. Then the two bolts clamp it in position

[heeman10]

just seached escortbreakers.co.uk nothing found realy need poly bushed bottom arms un sure now if i sould buy deflex ones, eny ideas how much and where can i get some, i want to fit em and forget

I don't know if that's a website, but I was pointing out to you that escortbreakers.co.uk is the username of a member of this forum, and it was he who posted up the picture of the fractured Deflex lower arm.

Dan - Yep, the ball joint is on a slotted arm that slides inside the wishbone, and it clamped by the two bolts. I had an incident where the clamping force wasn't high enough (I think the "spring" in the wishbone had eased off since the bolts were fully tightened) and the ball joint was free to slide in and out under hard cornering. Very exciting I think the best solution is to buy lower arms like mine, and set the camber as you want...then drill the wishbone and ball joint arm to stick an M8 bolt through or something, as extra location.

[fiecos dan]

set the camber as you want...then drill the wishbone and ball joint arm to stick an M8 bolt through or something, as extra location.

Thats what i was thinking, as there under alot of forces from different angles, and will soon move.

[heeman10]

Yeah, that's the problem, no possitive location on them. All the aftermarket lower arm manufacturers have got all the bits and bobs right between them, just that no-one's brought it all together yet!