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[Ram]

ive been looking into using a 50hp shot of nos on my zvh when its done just for use on the 1/4 mile.
wondering how safe/effective it is on these engines. whats better wet or dry shot?
il be running around 200bhp on beiges, but with a 50hp shot how will this effect my fueling?

any advice appreciated,
cheeRS.

[HCS PIMP]

it will affect ur fueling but as long as its set up properly you''l be fine as most dry systems make the lamba sensors realise there is excessive 02 in the exhaust system and so will spray more petrol just make sure you dont fit the 100 shot injector by mistake u could damage the engine

some people try these but as well
> different temp spark plus
>tubular exhaust maifold
>aftermarket induction
>and a good set of HT leads juts to be sure

if need any help get on the dog and bone 07738913381

[Ram]

cheers fore the advice mate. decided not to go for the nos now as my gear box wouldnt be able to handle the extra power and im not planning an upgrade yet lol

[HCS PIMP]

its cool man dont worry about it. you want any help with out ells drop me a line ive not done everything or know everything but what i do leaves little gaps, people tend to take piss as ive got crazy tendancy like a 1.7 zeta engine but still gotta be young someday lol

[Smo]

it will affect [ERRR] fueling but as long as its set up properly you''l be fine as most dry systems make the lamba sensors realise there is excessive 02 in the exhaust system and so will spray more petrol just make sure you dont fit the 100 shot injector by mistake u could damage the engine

But how will that work if he's running FRST management?

[HCS PIMP]

not got too much knowledege of the frst set up but asurly theres a lamba sensor on the later models if not then the engine will still have the boost of extra 02 held by the nitrogen moecules and make the power goo upppp

[Oranoco]

The FRST has no Lambda sensor or MAF. On these cars it is imperative a wet system is used. A 50 shot of giggle gas will typically give a 30bhp hike in power

[MossyZS]

its cool man dont worry about it. you want any help with out ells drop me a line ive not done everything or know everything but what i do leaves little gaps, people tend to take piss as ive got crazy tendancy like a 1.7 zeta engine but still gotta be young someday lol

Please let me know why?.. I'm curious.

[filtra]

not got too much knowledege of the frst set up but asurly theres a lamba sensor on the later models if not then the engine will still have the boost of extra 02 held by the nitrogen moecules and make the power goo upppp

As Oranoco said. FRST's never came with a lambda or MAF. Fueling is taken care of by the MAP (manifold absolute pressure sensor) due to the turbo application. It measures the density of air and sends this information to the ecu which multiplies that figure by the rpm. The internal data map of the ecu can then work out how much fuel it should be supplying.

Again as Oranono said, a wet shot has to be used (N20+fuel) so that there is extra fuel being introduced into the system to be burnt with oxygen that will be released from the dissociation of the nitrous oxide. This means the ECU doesn't need to do anything to compensate, apart from adding more fuel due to the charge air being colder and denser.

I don't mean to be rude but before offering advice to someone, make sure you have basic knowledge about a particular system and the system into which it's going to be introduced. I understand your trying to be helpful but restrain yourself if you arn't ademant you know stuff about the topic at hand.

Regarding to people taking this piss - If you consistently rubbish good advice re: engine choice for your car that people give you as well as things that arn't right or well thought out on a regular basis people are bound to start taking the piss!

FAO Ram - NOS is a great idea to up the power when you need to on WOT. Your best bet is to speak to some one like the wizzards of nos who can advise you on an appropriate setup, they did a feature in FF a year or so ago of a wet50 shot on a 2i, i'll see if i can dig it up. As with all things, get it setup properly before using it in anger! The insallation is pretty simple though.

[Ram]

cheers for all the replies guys.

hcs pimp - i didnt question your reply becuase i was a little concerned at the fact you mentioned a lambda sensor on a frst? sorry mate but as much as i appreciate the fact your trying to help, it kinda looks like you make up things as you go along just so it sounds like you know what your saying, which is actually less helpful to me than if you just said nothing.

Oronoco and feersum enjin - so basically if i use a wet shot, that will compensate the extra fuel that the beiges cant supply? and in a way its good to hear a 50shot is actually more like a 30shot as it means theres still some hope for my gear box

[turboboss]

been using nos for over four years now, learnt so much in the process. Turbo cars just love nos due to the cooling effect,
My wizard of nos kit with progresive controller i can use from idle people will tell you that nos will blow up your engine which is a load of nutsack. Turbo cars are far safer on nos due to the cooling effect which prevent detonation.
Nitrous its unbelieveable stuff, if you are going to buy a kit go for the wizard of nos they are much better then the american kits. The cylinder pressures on nos are higher at low rpm thats why you have to activate at 3000rpm wot (wide open throttle) or more, with a progessive controller you will get a Initial shot of lets say 10% then build it up ontil you get 100% so in Theory can be activated from idle.. ,
On gas i had no lag whats so ever. There are lots of very good reasons for adding Nitrous Oxide Injection to a turbo car . Apart from more power, how would you like FULL BOOST at any RPM? Maximum power from the second you push the pedal? Because it totally removes all turbo lag - completely! Full power/boost from idle RPMs upwards! Stand on the gas and GO! The nitrous initially provides the go, but this makes a lot of exhaust gas that spins the turbo up fast! Sudden boost too! Because if used as a "turbo lag remover" the nitrous is turned off as soon as boost is achieved via a manifold pressure switch, so the bottle lasts AGES! that’s if you wanted the nos for this Purpose (i did'nt) PEAK power can be drastically improved - if used normally (on all the time @ full throttle) rather than just to eliminate the turbo lag. charge cooling effect gives a measure of safety and prevents detonation, meaning higher turbo boost pressures can be used. and it also means a much bigger turbo can be used! The turbo is the limiting factor for higher power outputs since if its small enough to come on boost at say 2500 rpm, it is already restrictive in size at full power. that’s why i went the roller bearing route gt25/40r dual roller bearing boost starts at 2500rpm,This turbo Dwarfs my old t34 0.63 much nicer to drive around town.
MORE power than expected is usually obtained on turbocharged vehicles, because it also improves charge density, and boost levels at the same time. I’ve seen turbo cars with 50shot give an extra 70 bhp and loads more torque .
I try to advise anyone with a turbo car to get nos, but first take your engine as far as you can go then add nos, because it can work out expensive if that is the only performance enhancer you have. In short - Turbo cars are crying out for Nitrous Oxide! It improves them in all the areas that they are weak. Gives the same effect as simply having a larger engine.
Direct port only needed above 75shot or if you have a complex manifold arrangement where equal distribution not possible.
i'm only running a 50shot but boy do you notice, I will eventually run 100shot with just 20psi mainly for the drag strip. but never been able to run nitrous how i like due to me constantly breaking things.
and if any one saids oh its false power !! do people question rod tarry achievements because of his nitrous usage, or chris todd on his 1/4 mile times no power is power just different ways to accomplish it

[Ram]

turboboss -

only just remembered about this post the other day, and it left me unsure how to reply to such a monstor response.
but i really thankyou for taking the time to write that as if anything was gonna sell me the idea of nos to me it will be that!
from what ive gathered off the responses on here my best bet is to use a wet shot of 50, and then its just for me to decide wether i want nos for peak power (which i probably do!) or just as a lag remover so i have a nice constant accelerating car as apposed to a laggy launch and gear changes.
and i have to agree with you about ppl trying to say its false power, i cant understand that, i cant see any difference in adding nos to fitting a bigger turbo etc.
looks like il be giving wizards of nos a call once my cars finished

cheeRS.

[turboboss]

this is my direct port won setup.

[Ram]

nice looking setup

is a direct port setup only needed if you have a custom inlet like yours? if using standard efi inlet would i be alright with single port?

cheeRS.

[turboboss]

nice looking setup

is a direct port setup only needed if you have a custom inlet like yours? if using standard efi inlet would i be alright with single port?

cheeRS.

direct port is needed for 75shot or more you will have a better cooling effect with the standard setup direct port only cools when its injected into the port, the standard setup cools the air before the throttle body, just remember on a turbo car what ever shot you use you will obtain more power if you run a progressive controller then you'll be able to run a bigger shot then normal... higher the revs are then the more nitrous the engine can consume

sean

[Ram]

nice one direct prot and a progrssive controller it is then

ps. come on hatten knock that yank ooouuutttt

[Ram]

oops meant single port

[Xr_Dub]

mm next mod for me then

[TIL13R]

Wow this really has taught me alot just reading this.....

Top info

Tiller

[Ram]

when nos time comes im also tempted to go all fast and furious and get a purge to cool the intercooler. im sure a nos bar would be more effective but purges just look so damn cool

[turboboss]

when nos time comes im also tempted to go all fast and furious and get a purge to cool the intercooler. im sure a nos bar would be more effective but purges just look so damn cool

yeah they are cool for a virgin nitrous user i had to run one with my old american kit due to the nitous lines bore are far too large which turns the nitrous into gas, but you dont need one with a won kit, nitrous is expensive stuff and once you get your head round to this fact, purging will be one thing off your list of mods:( .

sean

[Ram]

i might still have to learn the hard way

[Medfin]

this is my direct port won setup.

Man you have a exhaust gases long way to reach turbo... Still good that it works fine and seems there is not much free space left. Have you tryed water injection whit that nos system?

[turboboss]

this is my direct port won setup.

Man you have a exhaust gases long way to reach turbo... Still good that it works fine and seems there is not much free space left. Have you tryed water injection whit that nos system?

true but with this system i have less lag then my previous t34 setup and my current turbo nearly twice the size of a t34 plus the speed the exhaust gases go i doubt there is actually much difference.. water injection there its just not plumbed in

sean

[285Andy]

garage.php?mode=view_image&image_id=142

heres what ive got. its a wet kit with just 25 hp jets so far and tbh, ive only ever had one fill with a 5lb bottle. didnt last long and as it was the first fill i probably wasted most of it pissing around . ive got 50hp jets but i just doooooo not have the spare time to drive to middlesex (nearest supplier) to get a refill im itching to really get it sorted properly one day.... one day.......

[turboboss]

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/garage.php?mode=view_image&image_id=142

heres what ive got. its a wet kit with just 25 hp jets so far and tbh, ive only ever had one fill with a 5lb bottle. didnt last long and as it was the first fill i probably wasted most of it pissing around . ive got 50hp jets but i just doooooo not have the spare time to drive to middlesex (nearest supplier) to get a refill im itching to really get it sorted properly one day.... one day.......

i guess due to your 5lb bottle your kit from won? try to purcahse a bigger bottle you could probably buy a a bottle from a american kit quite cheaply on ebay then just purchase the adapters from won so you can plumb the bottle into the rest of the system..

sean

[Shell]

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/garage.php?mode=view_image&image_id=142

heres what ive got. its a wet kit with just 25 hp jets so far and tbh, ive only ever had one fill with a 5lb bottle. didnt last long and as it was the first fill i probably wasted most of it pissing around . ive got 50hp jets but i just doooooo not have the spare time to drive to middlesex (nearest supplier) to get a refill im itching to really get it sorted properly one day.... one day.......

One of the companies do post re-fills... send them the bottle and they send it back filled...

Not sure who it is tho.. we just rent a big bottle and it lasts us about a year.. .

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[muz]

This is interesting reading. Does anyone know what would be the best system to use with ITB's on a zetec?