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[JedifiestaRST]

Hiya
I was thinking of ordering a t2 hybrid turbo from turbo technics has anyone used one of these and any thoughts
Im not after a great increase but my t2 runs out of puff at 4000 rpm now as i have a big bore stainless system very responsive low down but nothing top end
I have the 165 chip fitted as well so I am thinking will be similar performance but maybe carry on a bit longer ?
My current T2 is shagged and blowing oil through the system and I cant be arsed to go down the route of T3 conversion

All comments welcome

[Ruishy1]

for the money i wouldnt bother, the T2's are such a fragile unit. The same money could be spent on a t25 hybrid turbo to fit your car, and you will still have the low down torque, but your peak power wont drop off

[moondustka]

They're amazing, well worth the money, and I rate one over a t3 any day, unless you're looking to do over 100 mph a lot of the time.

Come on boost at around 1900 rpm and sustain up to 18 psi to the redline..

Give much better drivability than the standard T2.

Job done!

[jayrs]

agreed the T2 turbo gives power well and does what i want it too so im in the same boat, my turbos shot and i wont go T3.
however, be away mate a atdnard T2 doesnt do 18psi, and a hybrid isnt made to really do that amount of boost.

a T25 would be good, ive looked into this my self but it is not a direct replacemt and you will need to mod things to get it to fit, but they give the best of both worlds it seems, spool up of a T2 and the power of a T3

[moondustka]

Turbo technics t2 is rated to 18 psi and will do that all day long

A standard t2 wont do much past 12 before things start, well, not lasting too long!

[JedifiestaRST]

I went for the S108 from turbo technics which they advised me is a direct swapout for my t2 and will do 18psi from 2k till redline
I am only looking to set it up for 14psi as the boost limit with the 165 is raised to 15psi?
My Scooby has a b*****d big ballbearing turbo that boosts to 18 /20 on overboost and is running 300 bhp so 14 should be plenty for the cvh
Only question I have is will the engine in standard form be ok running 14psi ?
Anything I should look out for or maybe upgrade as well

Spec is standard apart from Bailey DV , K&N cone filter ,Turbo back stainless system and 165 chip

All advise is gratefully received

Chris

[moondustka]

I'm running 17.2 psi (as recorded on the rollers yesterday!) on a std bottom end.. probably a bit touchy!

Wouldn't run anything more than 14 psi on the 165 chip and if you're on blues then you may want to turn that down, as you don't want it running lean!

[jayrs]

i run 12psi on my 195 chip

[JedifiestaRST]

They come preset at 8 psi I am going to run it in at that then put it up to 12 and see how it goes

[jayrs]

sounds good mate

[moondustka]

Preset at 8? They told me they come at 16 psi! haha

They must send them out at whatever they want lol

I also asked my brother what Turbo Technics said to him at what they could run at. Apparently they can flow up to 22 psi quite happily, but are better run at 18 for reliability. I'm guessing, that at 22 psi, the turbo may last a couple of years, rather than 5 + for example, as another mate has had one on his fiesta for 7 years! And only now has it got a cracked rear housing!

I guess the only way to find out whether I'm talking s**t is to ask them! Yet, this is what we were told at the time

[jayrs]

its gen not advisable to run a T2 at too much boost as it simpley was not designed for such.
as like any turbo it can run more than its set at, but every thing has a limit and i have never once heard of a T2 being able to run 22psi.

turbo will last as long as they can depending on how there treated, for example theres a guy on here that has a turbo that has done 140k miles and its still ok

[moondustka]

But the hybrid is no ordinary T2, the internals are designed as such to produce a high boost. They are a very sensitive unit however, and regular oil changes are required to reduce carbon build up, as well as the cooling down after hard boosting. The T2 hybrid should only go wrong if it has been seriously over boosted, or it hasn't been looked after or the oil is contaminated with something to throw the shaft out of balance. The turbo is tested to 120,000 rpm anyway and when it boosts to 16 psi, it's no where near that, I think it's 80,000 rpm if i remember correctly.

But yes, I see what you're saying, the length of the life of the turbo is determined a lot by its use and abuse!

[jayrs]

its also down to who rebuilds it too.

the hybrid T2 differs between who does them.

some call it a stage 1, others a hybrid, but the internals are the same as a normal T2 mate, the only thing that differs is the thrust bearing, normal T2's ahve a 270 degree bearing, a stage 1 has a 360 degree bearing, and that really is the ONLY difference between a standard T2 and a stage 1 T2.

hybrids come inot there own when they start fitting different trim compressor wheels or ones that are a tad bigger, but as i said some companies class a stage 1 as a hybrid when infact its not.
i guess the point im making here is, that if you by a hybrid t2, make sure your getting what it is you want, but the 360 degree thurst bearing will allow higher boost levels to be used over the standard 270 degree bearing.

[moondustka]

Yup, I understand where you're coming from.

I am referring to turbo technics hybrids only. I mean, I had the sales guy come down to my house They aren't just std internals or £600 would be the biggest joke of money! I had it all explained to me too.

The 360 bearing just keeps the shaft in balance at higher boost and means you don't have to run a dump valve as the shaft wont be able to vibrate as the turbo chatters.

The impellers are really different to standard too.

But you're right, because there are a lot of "hybrid" turbos out there and there not really "hybrid" at all..

I think we're on the same page!

( as for the 22psi, I think that's s**t.. but they deffo can run 18 comfortably)

[Ruishy1]

id like to know what is done to the T2's for hybridisation.
As Jay says, most "hybrids" are nothing more than an uprated thrust bearing and rebuild,ad i would not class that as a hybrid.
Unless it has CNC machined blades, machined/changed compressor or turbine housing then i wouldnt even bother.
And for the kinda money of a T2, you can buy a BB turbo instead, zero lag and lots of boost to the redline

[moondustka]

you can buy a BB turbo instead, zero lag and lots of boost to the redline

The turbo technics one does comes on boost at 1750 rpm or thereabouts (I've got a graph! )

And the internals are not like any t2, that's for sure - compare them and you can see they're different.

You're right though, there are a lot of fake hybrids out there, which are quite frankly, s**t!

[Ruishy1]

you cant even begin to compare a BB turbo to a "hybrid" T2, its like comparing a Monet to a scribble drawn on a napkin by my nephew

I think the T2 is obsolete, the money involved for the gains is just not worth it.

[moondustka]

Have you driven with a hybrid T2 on a 1.6 FRST?

It's hard to explain what it's like. I think it's far better than a T3.

I think it's only worth going for a T3 on a 1.8 block and above, and I also wouldn't have a std T3... now they are tug.

I do like the hybrid a lot, and that's why I'm defending it, especially when I've flown past others using T3s. On the road/strip is where it counts..

[Ruishy1]

who said anything about t3

[jayrs]

when i asked turbo techinics about a hybrid, i was told it was 360 bearing, and a different trim compressor wheel.

the internals do not change, they may be modded tad for the 360 bearing but everything else would be the same, belive me mate, theres fcuk all inside the turbo body

[moondustka]

I've seen inside one too..

Yea, the journal bearings are probably the same, it's just brass at the end of the day... a shaft is a shaft so that's that.

The impellors are definitely different. Not really much else you could do, what else would you wanna see? The rear housing could be a different size to make it spool up quicker. Can't remember which one you need to be smaller, think its the rear to make it spool up more quickly.

To be honest this convo is going round and round in circles. I don't give a s**t.. all I know is that the hybrid does what it needs to. It spools up quicker than std, boosts more and holds better.

Talking about it though proves nothing. I'm a firm believer about what a car can do on the road and the strip, rather than talking about figures and claimed times.

[fiestachunk]

I LOOKED INTO A TT T2 ASWELL AND THINK IT LOOKS GOOD AS I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THE T3 ROUTE I DO REMEMBER THEM SAYING IT WILL RUN 18PSI EVEN AT HIGH REVS
I ALSO SPOKE TO CR TURBOS WHO SAID A STANDARD T2 WILL RUN 16 SAFELY BUT NO MORE WITCH I THOUGHT WAS HIGH BUT I AM RUNNING 15PSI ON A STANDARD T2 WITH 195 CHIP AND HAS BEEN FINE

[jayrs]

this is the point im making, for a normal "hybrid" in most cases it is simpley a 360 degree bearing, the turbo will produce the boost anyway, the 360 bearing just gives it more of a chance to do it rather than $hit it self and blow

[fiestachunk]

SO IS THAT WHY CR TURBOS TOLD ME IF I WAS GOING TO RUN 16PSI I MUST FIT A DUMP VALVE

[jayrs]

dunno mate, i dont know what there reasons would of been but me, i would advise a dump valve to anyone just becuase it does stop turbo stall, and turbo stall can kill turbos.
it dont have to be a dump valve that makes a noise, could be a recirculating dump valve

[Ruishy1]

Im arguing the point of cost.
For the cost of a T2 "hybrid" you can get a much better designed turbo that WILL boost higher, longer and be alot more durable.
And more than likely start boosting lower in the rev range.
When you see these points, why would you employ outdated technology
Its like people that fit twin carbs !
I mean WTF, for that price you can get throttle bodies which are FAR superior.

See !

[fiestachunk]

twin carbs is a different ball game it's all about the look you can't beat opening the bonnet and seeing a set of 45s"sexy"
at least with carbs you can rejet/set them up them yourself with efi your f*cked unless your a computer programmer

[Ruishy1]

twin carbs look just as sexy as TB's, and as for rejetting, you will be doing that constantly, whereas TB's will keep their setting long after the carbs have flooded your engine and destroyed it with bore wash

[Harris]

agreed the T2 turbo gives power well and does what i want it too so im in the same boat, my turbos shot and i wont go T3.
however, be away mate a atdnard T2 doesnt do 18psi, and a hybrid isnt made to really do that amount of boost.

a T25 would be good, ive looked into this my self but it is not a direct replacemt and you will need to mod things to get it to fit, but they give the best of both worlds it seems, spool up of a T2 and the power of a T3

Do you know what roughly is involved? Im in a similar position. Love the responsiveness of the T2 but hate the way it runs out off puff but dont really want to go the T3 route.

My T2 is running 13 PSI has been for years and chatters yet has done 110k and doesnt smoke or have and play. Infact i dont think i have ever had to top the oil up between changes. And it proves the point that if you heat up/ cool down a turbo, do regular oil changes , and run safe boost levels then there shouldnt be a problem. ( I have probably jinxed myself now lol )

[ukmicky]

( I have probably jinxed myself now lol )

Yep your f**ked , i learnt that lesson more than 13 years ago when i first bought her.

[JedifiestaRST]

I will be fitting this on saturday and will let you know how it runs as i have said im not after major gains just steady reliable boost till later in the range
The fecking car spins in the wet as it is I dont want to go too high as front wheel drive cars dont have the best grip on take off anyway

here are some pics of the turbo for the discussion

[bigchris]

i'm running a t3 stage 2 hybrid from turbo tecnics was told its only on 8psi as he asked for it to be turned down while he ran the engine in no boost gauge so not sure lots of lag but rapid when on boost ayone else have one of these???

[moondustka]

At the end of the day, who wants lag.. it doesn't matter what the turbo produces when it kicks in if takes all day to it. Meanwhile the person next to you is long gone.

[bigchris]

put a temporary boost gauge in today and i'm running half a bar on boost which is about 7.5 psi seems way low to me ????