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CVH and Zetec tuning, suspension and braking mods.

Postby philhoward on Fri Mar 22, 2002 2:30 pm

Given a choice of:

1.8 Zetec, 130PS version

and

2.0 Zetec, stock Mondeo lump

Which gives the easiest tuning/£, i.e. greatest bang for yer buck? Have a choice of two, both similar priced lumps; fitting costs are not an issue. It's tunability i'm after! Did hear of someone with 170-somthing horses out of an RS1800, but loadsamoney can give over 200 with the 2.0.

Guidance, please?
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Postby Excursion on Sat Mar 23, 2002 4:01 pm

Id say its more of an issue as to where you want the power to come in.

tunes 1800's need revving highly whereas the 2 litres obviously make a bit more lower down
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Postby chumkila on Sat Mar 23, 2002 5:07 pm

its a hard choice cos i dont really think theres much in it.
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Postby fiesta_fras on Sat Mar 23, 2002 5:46 pm

defo go for the 1.0 Front wheel drive 4 speed,
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Postby Silver2iReplica on Sat Mar 23, 2002 11:04 pm

On 2002-03-23 16:46, fiesta_fras wrote:
defo go for the 1.0 Front wheel drive 4 speed,



Are you takin the 'piss mate?

well mines a 5 speed so there!

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Postby philhoward on Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:19 am

I didn't think there would be much in it. Is there much difference on which one is easiest to turbocharge (and don't say the 1 litre!)

The 2 litre lump may well be a bit better for normally aspirated, I think; I still want some bottom end grunt!

The thing that got me thinking was that there isn't much bhp wise inbetween them, although the 2.0 has better torque, obviously. I was just curoius, considering the way for the normal 1.8's is to go 130ps route, so where does the 2 litre go?

The car should only weigh in at about 850kg, but will still need to be used for trips around the town!

Does beg the question, though - has anyone with a 16v XR2i fitted a 2.0 (or 2.1) instead of going the turbo route?
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Postby grahamb on Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:21 am

2.0 gives the most power, and torque, so you know it makes sense. You'll have the change the sump, water pump, oil pickup pipe, dipstick tube and a couple of other bits, but thats all that needs doing to the 2.0 engine to get it in the Fiesta. The 2.0 also features oil jets which spray the bottom of the pistons for cooling.
Any why settle for a 1.8 badge on the boot, when a 2.0 looks so much better :wink:
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Postby Phil Si on Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:31 am

2L for the respekt value :wink:
when u come to turboing it, the 1.8 is easyer and cheaper to do... the 2L costs alot more (managment to run it etc) but u get better power figures.... :rolleyes:
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Postby Asad on Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:45 am

im thinking bout this too but want to know why would the 2L version require different management to run it?

Couldn't you use the FRST management as some have done with the 1800 Zetec?


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Postby Phil Si on Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:48 am

not sure, maybee, but to get full usage out of it i think something like wot sunny has got is needed (pectel i think) not sure.. mr stewart, sunny etc are ur men for the info really :wink:
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Postby Phil Si on Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:51 am

mark S had a 2L fitted fopr some time, his was the first series 3 in a fiesta i beleive... mmogenbius(paul) now has that engine, it was in his 16V xr2i for a while, i think its going into the type R tho (FRST shell) marky S also had series 2 2L in, so he will tell u differences etc...
not sure on power figures and torque etc ... :oooh:
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Postby Phil Si on Sat Mar 30, 2002 2:01 pm

ok... who thought he was asking for a prostitute at first :rolleyes: :lol:
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Postby Asad on Sat Mar 30, 2002 2:10 pm

Well the thing is going down custom management oute is that although you get more power... more money needs to be spent so it doesnt go bang halfway down the road!

So i'm thinking along the lines of a 2L mondeo engine. Changing sump, pump etc.. and then turbo it but still running FRST management.

I would want a comp ratio of 8.1:1 so does anyone know if its possible to machine the original pistons to a c/r as low as this(cheap) or will it have to be Bucks on a new set?

Then hopefully a better set up of fueling, say biege injectors and get the ecu chipped.

All this so i can run around 15psi.
As i said, im not looking to run high boost :wink:


main concern is the management so anyone out there with experience, warnings, tips?


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Postby Phil Si on Sat Mar 30, 2002 2:13 pm

i dunno really mate, i only have an Si lol!
but i gues its down to reliability.... i ams sure one of the big boys on here will help you out :grin:
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Postby andymac on Sun Mar 31, 2002 1:27 am

If you weight up the cost of say, a unichip against how much it will cost you for an aftermarket ECU I reckon you will find the ECU works out a better bet.

Seriously, look into it properly and see how the sums stack up.
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