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[hb69]

i have been looking into different ways of getting more power from my xr2i, but im still not absolutely sure what each involves.
ive been talking to a jamsport about having some headwork done, and having a performance cam fitted at the same time, what else would i have to renew if i went ahead and did this.......headgasket,cam belt? im not sure what gains this work would give but im assuming it would be best to fit a chip too???
Ive breifly looked at fitting bike carbs, they seem relatively cheap to buy, im not sure of the price of the manifold, but i would also need to change the management, which ive heard is quite expensive???
The other idea i had is to fit an rs turbo engine etc, which if i built up bit by bit wouldnt seem to cost as much as the others would.
The problem being with an engine transplant i need to use the car every day to get to either work or college, i would also prefer to retain the originality of the n/a cvh.....

i currently have a full ashley exhaust, 4-2-1 manifold and a K&N 57i, and although it is quick and plenty of fun i want more from the engine.
Any ideas are welcome.
cheers
hb

[bassboy]

all equates to howmuch money do you have and what power your after mate...cheapest option an most performance per £ will be a RST engine...if you want something different, rag the bo!!ocks off it day in day out, bounce it off the limitor etc etc then maybe stick 1600 NA or have you considered 2L 16v?

bassboy

[Oranoco]

My old XR2i made a smidge over 130bhp before being destroyed by a gimp in a BMW

Mine was running :

K&N
4-2-1 manifold
Custom exhaust system (proper one)
Chip
Piper cam and vernier
polished and ported head
Fuel pump (only because a fault was midiagnosed by my then tuner)

http://media.putfile.com/Rachels-Dyno-Run

[Mattxr3i]

do you remember how much power was at the wheels?

[Oranoco]

Not off the top of my head. Should imagine lopping 25-30bhp off for an atw figure wouldn't be a million miles out

[hb69]

cheers for the replies

bassboy-i have considered a 2.0 conversion, and have made some equiries into it, but i will still need to use the car everyday, so any engine transplant would have to be a 2 day job, and my knowledge is limited. I love the reliability of the n/a cvh and it takes everything i can throw at it. moneywise im not sure how much i will be able to spend, if for example bike carbs are a set amount (not sure on exact figures) then i would be able to save that much up before fitting them.

oranoco-thats the kind of power im after with mine. problem with getting the headwork done is that i would have to send the head off to get the work done,(but would still need to use the car 5 days a week) as i dont think there are any companies local to me that would be able to do the work on it for me.just out of interest what made you decide to tune the n/a cvh over fitting an rs turbo engine?

many thanks guys
hb

[Oranoco]

I chose to tune it as I already had an RS Turbo so didn't see the point in having two. There's also something really nice about the n/a motor and how they scream when at full chat. It's a different drive to the RST and it was very enjoyable.

If you're worried about sending the head off just source a second hand head and send that off instead then when it arrives all spangly you can just pop it on in an afternoon

[hb69]

sounds like a good idea, they dont seem to be very expensive second hand either. ive been talking to a guy from jamsport about the headwork, but i havent had any experience of their work, do you know of anywhere more local to me(south east kent) that would be worth talking to??

If i did decide to tune the n/a cvh then would you advise port and polishing, gas flowing etc be the next thing i get done??

[bassboy]

sounds like a good idea, they dont seem to be very expensive second hand either. ive been talking to a guy from jamsport about the headwork, but i havent had any experience of their work, do you know of anywhere more local to me(south east kent) that would be worth talking to??

If i did decide to tune the n/a cvh then would you advise port and polishing, gas flowing etc be the next thing i get done??

open up the ports a touch...get a nice lairy cam in there with suitable followers, rev as high as it is deemed safe, and go have happy times!

bassboy

[lachojski2005]

how much would that cost roughly?

[hb69]

how much would that cost roughly?

the quotes i have for the port and polish, gas flowed, etc.......£350+VAT (iirc) and for a kent cam kit (cvh32) £210. not too bad i suppose.rs turbo conversion may work out cheaper,but i like the n/a cvh so im going to be looking into getting these done soonish.

[Xr_Dub]

when i had my 2i lump
i had

k&n air filter
4-2-1 manifold
full scorpion system
kent cams
total new rebuild, bigger pistons.new rad fans etc etc.
head was skimmend

it made 128bhp on the rollers at the wheels at redline
108 is standard for xr2i 8v


tbh wasted alot of money on what, for that much power to Pounds spentnot worth it.
Best was spending my money on the Turbo and saving up for that took a year and some patient but was worth it.

[si 16valver]

if i were you i would do what i have done get 2.0 zetec in i got the engine for 130 and the bloke that fitted it for me did a cracking job took him 7hrs i dropped the car off with him satdy and he gave me a call the next day telling me it was done i couldnt believe it he has done the swop a million times though only charged 300 labour plus about 50 quid for the parts new oil plugs etc etc and when i first drove it after having the 1.6 zetec in the smile on my face was huge well worth it i wouldnt bother tuning a cvh there ok but not enough potential if you port polish and put some cams in a 2.0 you would get 160-170bhp not 130 like in the cvh then like you said the bike carbs can be bought off ebay for 100 quid i know this as i bought some but then the ecu to run it megasquirt being the cheapest is 300 quid then you need the inlet manifold for the bodies off bogg brothers which is 250 quid so turns into a very expensive job but with that you would attain 200bhp and have relatively good fuel economy and reliability up to you though at the end of the day

[hb69]

i have considered the 2.0 zetec, and have talked to a few people that have done it to their cars, it does seem a way of getting 130bhp quite easily. i have even looked into buying one but didnt find many available that were low enough milage to be considered.As with the rs turbo engine conversion, ive looked into buying an engine but finding one in good condition and that has been well looked after is a difficult process.
I know the condition of my current engine and i know how reliable it is, which for me is one of the main reasons i want to try and stick with it. Ive only read up on the bike carbs idea breifly, but from what i have read it seems a cheap and relatively easy way to more than 130bhp, if bogg bros are able to make a manifold to fit an xr2i then its becoming more and more likely that bike carbs is the tuning route that i wish to follow....

[freak power]

Swap the pistons for some 1.3 CVH one and that will put the compression

[si 16valver]

no dont get throttle bodies costs as follow

throttle bodies 100
ecu to run it 300
manifold to fit 250
installation 150 unless doing it yourself
set up of carbs 150

total 950quid

or 2.0 costs my engine is in great condition with only 65,000

engine 130
labour 300
parts oil etc 50

total call it 500 nearly half the cost and you get more power torque and a 1.6 8valve sucking all that air and producing all that power will die after a while whereas the 2.0 will go forever and will easily take throttle bodies

[joe boy]

my 2litre was 50 quid from ebay with 84k on it

do it mate you will love it

[hb69]

joeboi and si 16valver you both have (or did have) 1.6 si's dont you? This conversion is alot easier in those than the cvh 2i as i have to change most things on mine to zetec 2i and 1.6 si parts. i would love to do the 2.0 conversion i just think it would cost me loads for all the bits

[fezzapower]

if you want to get any form of big power out of your xr2i engine by n/a tunning, then you will have to spend some money, im tunning a 1.6 8v xr2i at the moment and this is a run down of what im doing, might give you some ideas;

Full engine strip and clean
Re-bore with a set of slightly over sized pistons and piston rings etc.
kent cam (you could go piper i know a lot of people prefer piper cams)
lightened and balance crank and flywheel
Ashley performance exhaust 4-2-1 manifold
Keeping the induction system standard with a better quality filter in it.
uprated full injectors
Superchip
samco hoses
etc.

Of course with all this power going down its sensible to think of geting a better clutch to cope with the added power being put down.

So im going for a fast road/track clutch capable of up to 200bhp
http://www.fiesta-centre.co.uk

possible a fast road/track gear box as well

ive also bought a set of braided goodridge brake hoses and im getting a set of green or red stuff pads to help slow the car down.

with these and a few other little things i should be putting out an estimated 140-50bhp....wont know for sure until i get it finished and dyno tested

and then in the future im have a nitrous oxide kit put in from Nos (nitrous oxide systems) which is their 50bhp dry kit which should give the xr2i a nice bit of added boost when its going up the drap strip.

hope this helps

[hb69]

certainly sounds interesting. Similar to what oranoco and xr_dub did with their engines pretty much, have you got any pics?
which kent cam are you fitting, i was thinking of the cvh32, it sounds the best one for the state of tune my engine is in. I didnt think there are many benefits to fitting uprated injectors.
i have some goodridge hoses and tried fitting them to mine today, but one of the nuts on one of the hoses was close to being rounded off so i decided not to bother. the standard brake setup is fine up to 130bhp anyway. i should imagine the standard clutch would be able to cope with 130bhp too.

[fezzapower]

yea the clutch probably will be able to cope with the power your going for, as with your brakes as well, im just doing them cause im aiming to get 150bhp and then around 190bhp when the nitrous is flowing (thats if anyone will insure me for use of nos on track days without taking all my money lol) so i want to be able to pull that power back off quickly.

As for the cam i was thinking of the cvh22k, the power band isnt as large, only 2000-6500rpm where as the cvh32k is 1000-6500rpm, but the 32 is a 10bhp increase above standard where as the 22 is a 12-14bhp increase.
So im going for the bigger bhp increase.

Theres not a great benefit to fitting uprated injectors, but when you combine them with uprated HT leads, top end iridium spark plugs, etc. then it all adds for a bigger better spark and better combustion which is always a good thing.

No pics at the moment as ive got a mint 1.1 that im putting the XR2i engine in so building the engine up and then putting in car. But i will take some pics of the motor and the engine as its being built and stick them on here at some point. And when the engine is in i will get some pics up as im doing some nice engine dress up to make it shiney and pretty lol.

Did you notice much difference after you put the K&N in??
As i was wondering wether to get one or not, but didnt realy think it was worth it??

[Oranoco]

Theres not a great benefit to fitting uprated injectors, but when you combine them with uprated HT leads, top end iridium spark plugs, etc. then it all adds for a bigger better spark and better combustion which is always a good thing.

Did you notice much difference after you put the K&N in??
As i was wondering wether to get one or not, but didnt realy think it was worth it??

Standard clutch will be fine, they are no different to the FRST clutch and they can take a 165 conversion without too much trouble and you won't be close to that sort of torque level.

The stock injectors again are good for the FRST 165 conversion so again are fine for the job at hand. If you want to add a large gob of N20 you really want to be using a wet kit negating the need for the stock injectors being expected to match the input of laughing gas.

Uprated HT leads are a complete waste of cash, tehy've been proven time and time again to be no better (usually not as good in fact) as standard Ford kit. Decent plugs are worthwhile but iridiums are way OTT, I don't even run these in my 260bhp S2.

K&N doesn't make much difference at all but it's part of the forst tuning steps. Get the air in and out again. Breathing mods are the very first thing to do from a tuning point of view

[fezzapower]

ok cheers mate, i didnt realise the HT lead thing, cheers youve just saved me 60 quid.

[Oranoco]

Pop to Ford's they're about £25-£30 iirc. If they're good enough for the 300bhp CVH boys they're good enough for us mere mortals

[hb69]

Did you notice much difference after you put the K&N in??
As i was wondering wether to get one or not, but didnt realy think it was worth it??

i didnt really notice any difference, but i havent had a standard airbox on my car since ive had it, it came with a universal cotton filter, and i decided to replace it with something designed for the car.

The only difference you are likely to notice is the induction noise, but as oranoco says its one of the first things to change if you are looking into modifying an engine, maximising air going in and air going out.

[fezzapower]

yea i was thinking after market induction systems, but when i was striping the xr2i engine out, the standard air box is a closed system with a pipe leading to the point between the near side headlight and radiator. so i figured i just swop the filter for a better quality aftermarket one, then im saving money.
the only reason ive been considering this over something like a k&N or other after mark induction kits is that ive heard that when youve got a fully exposed filter in your engine bay, your likely to get more hot air from engine going into it than you would with you standard air box. And heat sheilds look as if they would be a waste of time and money.

Correct me if im wrong, thats just what ive heard.....??

[hb69]

my k&n has a cold air feed in the same place as the standard system, its quite far out of the way, tucked up behind the light. i can get pics if that would help. but i cant see it absorbing much heat from the engine being where it is.

hb

[fezzapower]

aahhhhhh.....so it has a cold air feed just like the standard air box does, that changes everything.

cheers

so you decided what the next step is with ur xr2i yet?????

[hb69]

Yeah, The K&N 57i kit comes with a cold air feed.

I still havent really decided which route to go with mine yet, ive bought a few things to sharpen it up, probably one of the best things i can do at the moment is make the most of the power ive already got.

[fezzapower]

cool, might look into getting a K&N now that i know that, i rely need to start getting this engine re-built though, i got it out of the other car and now im slacking a bit. realy need to start work on stripping in down and re-building it so that i can get it in soon. also need to get the shocks, brakes and anti roll bars, etc from the xr2i cleaned up and put onto my motor soon.

[TIL13R]

Well this is the same as i have done to my xr2i 8v

here is my engine spec list!

Engine : 1.6 Cvh Efi, Bored to 1659cc, ARP Head and Rod Bolts, Uprated Cam, Ported and Polished Head, Double Valve Springs, Solid Lifters, Bigger Valves, Samco Hoses, Serria Cosworth K+N, Fiesta RS Turbo Charge Carrier modified, 4-1 S/S Manifold, Magnex middle system, Hawood Scott 4 inch Back box, Silver Rocker Cover, Superchip, Deflex Engine Mounts, More to come!

Hopefully 130bhp++

here is my project here!

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/proje ... roject+dtr

Cheers

Tiller

[knuckles]

Uprated HT leads are a complete waste of cash, they've been proven time and time again to be no better (usually not as good in fact) as standard Ford kit.

I have to disagree with you there mate.

I went from dodgy grey ford Ht leads to brand new Magnecor 8.5mm race leads and my xr2i responded 100% better. All the jerkiness when changing down gears disappeared. Acceleration was a massive improvement too.

[fezzapower]

ok......lol...now im confused 1 says they are rubish and the other says they give make a big difference lol, i might go for aftermarket ht leads anyway as im doing a load of engine dress up as well as tuning and some blue spitfire leads will look nicer than stock grey ones, probs be one of the last things i do though. if they do jack all, well they look nice and if they make an improvement then thats great.

[Mattxr3i]

Uprated HT leads are a complete waste of cash, they've been proven time and time again to be no better (usually not as good in fact) as standard Ford kit.

I have to disagree with you there mate.

I went from dodgy grey ford Ht leads to brand new Magnecor 8.5mm race leads and my xr2i responded 100% better. All the jerkiness when changing down gears disappeared. Acceleration was a massive improvement too.

What condition were the original leads in? if they were goosed then any new set of leads would have made a difference

[HawkeVIPER]

Uprated HT leads are a complete waste of cash, they've been proven time and time again to be no better (usually not as good in fact) as standard Ford kit.

I have to disagree with you there mate.

I went from dodgy grey ford Ht leads to brand new Magnecor 8.5mm race leads and my xr2i responded 100% better. All the jerkiness when changing down gears disappeared. Acceleration was a massive improvement too.

Tbh, I don't think there's much difference. I went from standard ford leads to works ford leads -- the same ones they use on the track/rallys --; the only difference I really saw was from the fact that the new leads weren't completely shagged.