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[chris21]

After lots of deliberation over RE, Alpine etc I went for what we all know is best - two JL Audio 12" W3v2's

250w RMS each powered by a BBG(aka Phoenix Gold) 600w rms monoblock. All wired to show a 2ohm load on the amp these babies kick ass, just need to run them in for 60hrs! (I have'nt turned volume over 20/50 or sub + over 10/15.)

I've set car alarms off accidentley already, the eyeballs in my head rattle etc

On the cards are speaker upgrades, door builds, rear quater builds and a fancy boot build to give this lot the looks to match the performance. Still debating wether to install capacitor

Whatd'ya reckon?

[fiesta_mk4_project3]

No bad mate no bad at all im working my way towards a decent system got head unit and sub but need cheap good amp
also i dnt know bout the capacitor would have to hear your system to tell

[chris21]

Thanks , have a look on ebay for an amp.

Phonenix gold are well known for good amps but if I had'nt of got a PG then I would have gone with the alpine v12 probably.

[bassboy]

not my personal best choice in subs or amp but a very good choice nevertheless

oh and stay away from power caps...if u need more power...upgrade your battery and alt...STAY AWAY FROM POWER CAPS

bassboy

[chris21]

If bassboy the legend himself think's it's alright then I'm happy

[bassboy]

If bassboy the legend himself think's it's alright then I'm happy

no worries chris glad i can help

if you need a proper box...you know where to come

bassboy

[xiphon]

After lots of deliberation over RE, Alpine etc I went for what we all know is best - two JL Audio 12" W3v2's

250w RMS each powered by a BBG(aka Phoenix Gold) 600w rms monoblock. All wired to show a 2ohm load on the amp these babies kick ass, just need to run them in for 60hrs! (I have'nt turned volume over 20/50 or sub + over 10/15.)

I've set car alarms off accidentley already, the eyeballs in my head rattle etc

On the cards are speaker upgrades, door builds, rear quater builds and a fancy boot build to give this lot the looks to match the performance. Still debating wether to install capacitor

Whatd'ya reckon?

No offence, but I *hate* these generic sub-box installs. They just look...so.... DIY.
Sort of re-inforces the big-bad-boy-bass-head image of the stereotypical chive-boy-racer (Tiny engine, loud exhaust, loud boom-boom-boom from some subs shoved in the back)

I'm sure the car's mint - but ditch the subs unless you're going to do a nice install.

[chris21]

No offence taken mate. Thanks for an honest opinion. Admitedly the idea is to show off, because lets face it, who needs 2 12" subs this loud in their car!.

I love driving through town and people look who's coming. Even more I like pulling up at work and shaking the office windows and setting colleagues car alarms off .

I like to listen to my music with alot of bass, I find tracks I would'nt have normally listened to become pretty cool if you emphasize the bass(i.e mariah carey,lol).

The pic was sort of a look what I've got to work with kind of post, quality equiptment not looking good yet but sounding good and set up ready. I chose the pre made sub box because it matches the sub's capacity needs so they wont get damaged whilst I design a custom install.

p.s I'm not a cha.v though

[xiphon]

No offence taken mate. Thanks for an honest opinion. Admitedly the idea is to show off, because lets face it, who needs 2 12" subs this loud in their car!.

I love driving through town and people look who's coming. Even more I like pulling up at work and shaking the office windows and setting colleagues car alarms off .

I like to listen to my music with alot of bass, I find tracks I would'nt have normally listened to become pretty cool if you emphasize the bass(i.e mariah carey,lol).

The pic was sort of a look what I've got to work with kind of post, quality equiptment not looking good yet but sounding good and set up ready. I chose the pre made sub box because it matches the sub's capacity needs so they wont get damaged whilst I design a custom install.

p.s I'm not a cha.v though

I'm with you on the fact that your musical tastes needs some bass - I mean, I can hardly disagree when I'm into D&B and Breaks

Can't wait for ya custom install now

[scotty_boy]

No offence, but I *hate* these generic sub-box installs. They just look...so.... DIY.
Sort of re-inforces the big-bad-boy-bass-head image of the stereotypical chive-boy-racer (Tiny engine, loud exhaust, loud boom-boom-boom from some subs shoved in the back)

I'm sure the car's mint - but ditch the subs unless you're going to do a nice install.

So you think it looks crap if I just put a sub in my boot and use it as its meant to by listening to it? Mine is just a 'box', you saying that I should ditch it unless I'm going to cover it with fibreglass/perspex and all manner of other crap?

[joel_winders]

After lots of deliberation over RE, Alpine etc I went for what we all know is best - two JL Audio 12" W3v2's

250w RMS each powered by a BBG(aka Phoenix Gold) 600w rms monoblock. All wired to show a 2ohm load on the amp these babies kick ass, just need to run them in for 60hrs! (I have'nt turned volume over 20/50 or sub + over 10/15.)

I've set car alarms off accidentley already, the eyeballs in my head rattle etc

On the cards are speaker upgrades, door builds, rear quater builds and a fancy boot build to give this lot the looks to match the performance. Still debating wether to install capacitor

Whatd'ya reckon?

No offence, but I *hate* these generic sub-box installs. They just look...so.... DIY.
Sort of re-inforces the big-bad-boy-bass-head image of the stereotypical chive-boy-racer (Tiny engine, loud exhaust, loud boom-boom-boom from some subs shoved in the back)

I'm sure the car's mint - but ditch the subs unless you're going to do a nice install.

why ??? its 2 subs in a box they go boom boom and thats it unless its show car / max power super fibre glass boy racer car. hes got a good set of subs and amps and they will sound good.

[craigc38]

looks alright mate, but have you sound deadened the boot at all? If not and please dont take offense but dont it sound poo to those outside cos of the pants vibrations that comes through?

Also i would do something with all them wires, if you intend to show people (like postin pics on here) the wiring can look shoddy.

rgds

[chris21]

There is a bit of vibration on the outside but nothing sound deadening wont fix in time. I'm thinking of using roof insulation and some other stuff that's cheaper than dynamat, anyone got any tips?

I love it when ppl post pics of their installs on here as it gives me a bit of inspiration/ideas on what performs well and suits the car .

The wiring does look pretty shoddy but thats because I was debating wether to install the capacitor and distribution block so no point tucking it away just yet.

[chris21]

Update - 11th may.

I've built a false floor with a cut out for the neon amp. This will do for me as I cant be arsed peeing about with ott fiberglass installs.




Note the slight damage to the left hand sub which has'nt penetrated the skin just rubbed it. Let that be a lesson to anyone who takes too long to secure their subs down - like me

[Superal]

Nice tidy install mate

[XRMike]

Looks very professional mate. Very tidy install. If i were you id upgrade your battery to say a Transit sized/Granada sized one to cope with the extra power.

Edit- My 1000th post! yey!

[mike_w]

looks alot better now

[chris21]

Thank's all . I have noticed that if I turn the volume on the headunit up to 23, the system cuts out, probably because of a lack of power, so like you say, I'll see about upgrading the power supply.

[Shannon]

Split charge it fella, do NOT fit a cap.

[RS_BOB]

very tidy install indeed alot tidier looking box than mine lol



but i chose re other jl and had to make the bloody thing myself

[ant pittaway]

Split charge it fella, do NOT fit a cap.

just out of interest, why not fit a power cap?? what is bad about them??

[slashbang]

power caps DO NOT do as they say on the tin, not sure they do anything, those subs were my 1st install, completely ruined by ya choice in amp im afraid mate.. jbl amps and jl amps best suite those subs.

[Shannon]

Basically Caps store charge, same as a battery. As a cap is much smaller than a battery it will discharge in milliseconds as opposed to a battery which takes longer. The theory that they will sell you is that as a cap discharges faster it will supply "much needed" power to the amps faster than the battery can which can "improve bass response". All nice in theory but doesn't mention that after the discharge the cap charges again from the power system so in effect (sort of) delays the power drain through the system as the amps draw from 2 supplies for a millisecond. If you have a decent battery and good cabling all round a cap will have a detrimental effect on your system as it draws power from it.
Another point is that all amps have suitible caps built in anyway so even less need for an external one.

[diablosvy]

Basically Caps store charge, same as a battery. As a cap is much smaller than a battery it will discharge in milliseconds as opposed to a battery which takes longer. The theory that they will sell you is that as a cap discharges faster it will supply "much needed" power to the amps faster than the battery can which can "improve bass response". All nice in theory but doesn't mention that after the discharge the cap charges again from the power system so in effect (sort of) delays the power drain through the system as the amps draw from 2 supplies for a millisecond. If you have a decent battery and good cabling all round a cap will have a detrimental effect on your system as it draws power from it.
Another point is that all amps have suitible caps built in anyway so even less need for an external one.

What she said
Batcaps are the way forward

[fiesta_mk4_project3]

thought id post a pic of my little system



not bad for somone who gets about 60 squid a week next job in the ice department to soundproof

[diablosvy]

completely ruined by ya choice in amp im afraid mate.. jbl amps and jl amps best suite those subs.

Hows that then You dont need to match brands of amps with subs, your choice should depends on things like power ratings and impedence, id like to know how FG amps dont suite JL subs

[chris21]

The make of an amp makes no difference. Like Diablosvy says, it's down to the amps ratings and signal quality that makes it suitable or not.

I would split charge the battery but it's down to cost. A cheap wiring kit is about £50, then there's the cost of a 2nd battery. Could you use any car battery?, it's just I'm saving for a new car and am tight as a ducks ass at the moment

[diablosvy]

TBH you dont need a second battery becuase your not running that much power, I run 700w RMS from a standard battery and theres no problem at all! You really only need to buy another battery if your alternater is naff, or your battery is on its way out in which case buy another Or your using in excess of id say 1000w.

Save your money and build a decent ported box

Mike

EDIT: its more likely to be cutting out due to earthing than power, power drops are usually noticed by dimming headlights etc, the system shouldnt just cut out unless the power isnt being discharged properly HTH

BTW why have you got a dizzy block? you can just run the subs in parallel or series I cant remember which is which

[chris21]

I've had a ported box before and they're not all that. Pretty happy with how tight the bass is at the mo.

The dizzy block was used when I had the capacitor installed but neither the capacitor or the block is installed now.

It might be the battery as it's not the right type for the car (too small), but defo not the alternator.

[Shannon]

Uprate your wiring under the bonnet mate, alt to starter etc with 4awg.

Always the best place to start and get the right size battery dude lol

[diablosvy]

I've had a ported box before and they're not all that. Pretty happy with how tight the bass is at the mo.

The dizzy block was used when I had the capacitor installed but neither the capacitor or the block is installed now.

It might be the battery as it's not the right type for the car (too small), but defo not the alternator.

If the bass wasnt tight with the ported box then it probably wasnt designed right I can play dnb etc with mine and it dusnt miss a beat, and its 2.6cuft
and yea a bigger battery would be a good start