Coverting a 1,6 EFI to an EFI Turbo - help needed

CVH and Zetec tuning, suspension and braking mods.

Postby Thomas from Germany on Wed Jul 04, 2001 3:43 pm

Hi Fiesta - Fans,

i'm Thomas from Germany and I want to convert my Ford Escort 1,6 EFI (108PS) to an EFI Turbo - like the Fiesta RST sold all over Europe exept Germany :sad:
As the changing from a regular Escort RS Turbo is too difficult (can't get a crashed RST at the moment), i want to build an EFi RST.
Therefor I need all information i can get, if I have to change the EEC an which Garrett fits best on the EFI (I Think the "little" T2 might be enough).
Also I want to get in contact with people who built a XR2i with Turbo or something like that.

A friend of me has built an Escort Mk7 Zetec Turbo and has many problems with the pressures in the engine (oil all over the engine).

Please excuse my bad english, but it's been quite a long time ago, that I wrote some english words. :wink:

oh - please contact me with a little note if you have any information about my "problem"

thanks an CU

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Postby Fezzy Turbo on Wed Jul 04, 2001 10:43 pm

I know you will need :

New pistons, new head, new head bolts, new cam, new exhaust manifold, new ECU, new loom, new turbo......that is just the start :eek:

You might be cheaper importing an engine.
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Postby Thomas from Germany on Thu Jul 05, 2001 11:18 am

Thanks Greg,
That was also my thought, but I imagined to get it built on the old engine.
So I have to look for a good RST in Germany.

What do you think - which one of the Ford RST is the better one ?? The EFI out of Fiesta or the Escort KE-Jettronic.

I've had several problems with an Orion with a normal KE-Jettronic and 66Kw, so i want to aviod changing to this engine.
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Postby Fezzy Turbo on Thu Jul 05, 2001 6:02 pm

The EFi is better :smile:

EFi is easier to tune and up-grade.

Are you going to be tuning the car ?
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Postby Thomas from Germany on Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:17 am

Sure. 102 HP (with catalysator) is just not enough. Its the same engine as in the 8v XR2i and the top Speed is about 200 km/h, but the acceleration isn't like that of my 95 Turbo Diesel and therefor I want to tune the car with a turbo.

If you want so see some Pics click on

http://www.fordfan.de/ShowShine/ThomasD ... Index.html

these Pics are from 2000. Since then, the extra lights have been removed and cossie alloys in 8x16" and a bonnet (?) of the RST was installed.
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Postby Fezzy Turbo on Fri Jul 06, 2001 8:06 pm

Nice looking car :smile:

The turbo engine would make such a massive difference :smile:
i have a stage1 up-grade which gives me 165bhp :smile: All you need for that is a chip, up-graded actuator or bleedvalve.........easy :smile:
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Postby Thomas from Germany on Mon Jul 09, 2001 7:29 am

The biggest problem here in Germany are the technical inspectors which control your car every two years. If you get an angry one, you can be sure, that you will not get the little sticker for the next two years. Especially with tuned cars they are very hard.
OK - then I should buy a crashed RST, move the engine and then pray that they give it the technical OK.
After that I can try to get the chip and the things you have, but the parts must nearly be invisible.
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Postby Fezzy Turbo on Mon Jul 09, 2001 5:56 pm

Technical inspectors :eek:

Our MOT can be bad enough and it too can be decided by how nice the tester is :mad:

At least you are every 2 years, we have every year :sad:
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Postby Project on Tue Jul 10, 2001 1:20 am

Mind if I drop in and offer my tuppence-worth (going for 1k posts 2nite :wink: )

Mine's about to go for an MOT, and god only knows how it's gonna pass :sad:

Oh well...
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Postby Thomas from Germany on Tue Jul 10, 2001 4:27 pm

@fezzy Turbo
Call it MOT - we call it TÜV.
This is an organisation which checks your car an is the only organisation which can give you the official "OK" for Tuning Parts you want to put on your car. Everything has to be documented in the car's main document.
exhaust systems (if you build them by yourself without a technical description or allowance you have to make a special noise test for up to 5.000 DM - about 1.400 Pounds), wheels, spoilers, lights, springs, ... For example - I have 8x16 Cossie wheels with 40mm lowered springs and a 320mm steering wheel. For the wheels, there's originally no permission of Ford for other cars than the Escort Cosworth. So you must find a reference report on wheels of the same dimension which can be built on your car. In Combination with the springs an the steering wheel i paid about 500 DM - the cheapest offer i had. The first technical inspector wanted to make a road test, because the car could have a different reaction with bigger wheels. In that case the price would have been up to 3000 DM for the technical OK.
A friend of me built a Escort Mk4 RS2000 and paid about 10.000 DM for the technical OK. Without this technical OK the police can keep your car and your drivers licence. If you make an accident and a non-proved part caused this accident your insurance can ask you to pay up to 10.000 DM of the sum they have to pay by yourself.
As you can see we need the technical OK for nearly everything and many technical inspectors are very bureaucratic. You sometimes have to kiss their ass, to get your document for the tuning.
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Postby Fezzy Turbo on Tue Jul 10, 2001 5:33 pm

I have heard of TUV, we can buy certain TUV approved parts in this country.
Your "test" sounds really bad :wink:
We do pay a lot for fuel etc.... but it we do get to tune our cars to the limit :grin:
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Postby Thomas from Germany on Tue Jul 10, 2001 5:44 pm

You should be glad about that. Here you can't use a part without a permission (?).
I'd like to have a Cossie Illusion Kit on my Mk4, but i wouldn't get the OK for it.
A friend of me was at the 97 Ford Fair. He came back with tons of Photos and the opinion, that all British Ford Fans drive a Turbo. He was really sad and said, that if the prices on petrol were not so high, he would move to GB the next days.
We have high taxes to pay for our cars - so I think that it is the same here with the sum of costs.
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Postby Project on Wed Jul 11, 2001 1:13 am

Thomas, look at it this way - all Fords are a lot cheaper over there and, I don't think anybody can argue with this, who needs a Ford when you've got Mercedes, BMW *and* Volkswagon all producing much cheaper, and faster cars, with all the posh bits. When was the last time Ford designed and built their own 2.0 litre, 16v Turbo hot hatch? How about that spec in a Golf then? Or a V6 2.8 (?) litre hot hatch? Golf again? And I'm not even gonna start drooling over the BMWs, but you guys really have it made :sad:

I love my Fiesta, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have an affair with a VeeDub, Bee-Em or even a Perc :smile:
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