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dump valve or chatter?

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Should i keep the dump valve or go chatter

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dump valve or chatter?

Postby slaney21 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:11 am

hey all

before i bought my rs i asked the chap to refit the dump valve as i wanted to see what it was like to drive with one on. I have been searching up here and there and i quite fancy the idea of just normal "chatter" as i get a lot of pissed off looks from people when driving out of work or into town as most old people seem to literally s**t themselves when im driving towards them! :lol: Some people have said taking the dump valve off will reduce the lifespan of the turbo etc but is this true?

also what is everyones opinion on dump valves or chatter? comment away :)
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby THEHOG~ on Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:13 pm

i am not really sure on the differnce.

i am not all that on this loud hiss sound.
but i would have it on to help my turbo.

but i love this sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUEBAKw5vQ

sounds mint. :D
would be better on a higher powered car i supose.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby Shell on Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:01 pm

slaney21 : Some people have said taking the dump valve off will reduce the lifespan of the turbo etc but is this true?


I have been running mine at 30psi for a year now with as much 'chatter' as i can get :lol: :rolleyes: and its still going strong... :)

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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby JamieFRST on Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:44 pm

I prefer chatter, loved the way mine sounded. But really wanted the original airbox fitted, which no longer makes any noise. So refitted the dump valve on mine.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby wildheart on Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:05 pm

Dump valves arent needed on a T2 so wil be no problem at all.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby slaney21 on Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:01 pm

:) ok cheers guys

just need to get a new pipe now then :)
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby JamieFRST on Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:45 pm

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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby slaney21 on Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:27 am

o god lots of hoses everywhere!!! :lol: dont know where to start
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby JamieFRST on Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:53 pm

Just phone and speak to them they are very helpfull.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby slaney21 on Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:02 pm

ok bud will do. cheers :D
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby landanimal on Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:07 pm

i love the chatter noise but it does brake the turbo eventually cause its turbo stall where the air goes back through the turbo. but yea chatter is better than dump valve lol im having chatter! for a little while anyway
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby dangerousdave on Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:52 pm

mine makes this noise with the dump valve installed!! :( i thought something was wrong as it was hissing out the breather pot when i first started it up!! :rolleyes: .... til i noticed the dump valve was locked shut :lol: :lol:
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby fiend on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:29 pm

landanimal :i love the chatter noise but it does brake the turbo eventually cause its turbo stall where the air goes back through the turbo. but yea chatter is better than dump valve lol im having chatter! for a little while anyway


It doesn't break the turbo.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby landanimal on Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:06 pm

i have been told by a few people who have had a 200sx that it does eventually and if it dioesnt its not good for the turbo i have never seen a turbo broken from it but i have been told.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby TIL13R on Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:41 pm

Chatter Rules............ Dump valves are for Gays.....

Simples......
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby SiZT on Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:19 pm

fiend :
landanimal :i love the chatter noise but it does brake the turbo eventually cause its turbo stall where the air goes back through the turbo. but yea chatter is better than dump valve lol im having chatter! for a little while anyway


It doesn't break the turbo.


Yes it does
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby Harris on Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:37 pm

my car is 19years old with the original T2 with 112k miles and its been chattering for most of its life and it hasnt broken.It doesnt even smoke or use oil and runs 13psi happily. Many things can contribute to a turbo breaking.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby fiend on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:26 pm

SiZT :
fiend :
landanimal :i love the chatter noise but it does brake the turbo eventually cause its turbo stall where the air goes back through the turbo. but yea chatter is better than dump valve lol im having chatter! for a little while anyway


It doesn't break the turbo.


Yes it does


Explain...
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby carmadlad87 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:39 pm

The idea of a dump valve is to basically release pressure that returns to the turbo when you come off boost without a dump valve this pressure, excess air whatever you want to call it returns to the turbo and over time should in theory damage it. Although you may be lucky and it might not. I would always say I love the sound of a chattering car but I just spent £400 odd on mine so I would prefer to know its gona last longer and have a dump valve... I've got a universal induction kit on my car to and that makes its own gorgeous little woooshing noise, its brilliant my mum hates it.....PERFECT! lol :bonkers:
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby M1K3Y_B on Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:09 am

Its all about the Chatter :wink:
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby Fezzy Turbo on Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:12 am

Okay lets clear this up......

Yes there is a back pressure that pushes back on the blades of any turbo. The dump valve will release this and give you the sounds. Now this back pressure is there with ALL turbo's but the most "at risk" turbos are your high pressure turbo's. With a T2 it is small, compact and shouldnt really be pushed past 12psi (standard turbo), thus making the turbine blades at "less risk" of back pressure breaking of the turbine blades.
The "chatter" :rolleyes: (nothing to do with wastegate chatter) or flutter is the blades of the turbo "stalling" or slowing down, the same as a helicopters blades make a noise. You hear this very well on a FRST when you add an induction kit, as there are no restrictions from the turbo to airfilter, unlike an ERST and the airbox doesnt get to muffle the noise.

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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby Ruishy1 on Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:32 am

Cant beat the sound of turbo stall :Q

m old Si turbo running 14 psi made a great noise with the induction kit :D
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby essexmarc29 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:06 pm

i built my 2i turbo just for chatter :lol: .people said to me,stick an mfi lump in for 200bhp.but no i stuck to efi.got chatter and 200bhp ,well roughly lol :lol:
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby Max M4X WW on Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:14 pm

I do like the whole chatter kills turbo's thing.

But standard car's do it - You just cant hear it usually.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby filtra on Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:07 pm

Neither - both are look at me, I have a turbo. :aaah: :rolleyes: :D

Heavily insulated airbox or recirc DV.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby Ruishy1 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:27 am

filtra :Neither - both are look at me, I have a turbo. :aaah: :rolleyes: :D

Heavily insulated airbox or recirc DV.


i dont do it for the attention, i just love the whooshing and whirring nosies only a boosted car can supply :D

cant wait to get my mr2 fitted with the chargecooler and get the boost up to 16 psi :Q
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby RS Joe on Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:02 am

slaney21 ::) ok cheers guys

just need to get a new pipe now then :)


You can also just get an alloy blanking plug, incase you decided to refit it later.
But Imo... Chatter is the only way to go!
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby slaney21 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:43 pm

ok so just to clarify,

will having a t2 without a dump valve kill it over time then a t2 with a dump valve??

i want to keep the dump valve on mine but want a slightly quieter one :)
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby RS Joe on Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:36 pm

It should do no harm at all... Otherwise Ford would have fitted them to the cars themselves.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby noel1982 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:50 pm

Right i'm going to add to this subject all modren cars are fitted with recuirculating valves to stop the damage on the turbo escorts use a twin piston valve ie DV26 or DV36 fiestas only need a single piston valve ie DV24 or DV34 my 76000 mile FRST had damage to the blades when i bought it so vince @ cr turbos done a great job and brought the turbo back to life :) My advice always have your valve on :Q
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby Fezzy Turbo on Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:24 am

noel1982 :Right i'm going to add to this subject all modren cars are fitted with recuirculating valves to stop the damage on the turbo escorts use a twin piston valve ie DV26 or DV36 fiestas only need a single piston valve ie DV24 or DV34 my 76000 mile FRST had damage to the blades when i bought it so vince @ cr turbos done a great job and brought the turbo back to life :) My advice always have your valve on :Q


Thats because modern cars have bigger turbo's than the old T2 a FRST has. And after 154,000 miles my T2 has zero damage, zero leaks and is quietly gathering dust in my lock-up :lol:
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Re: dump valve or chatter?

Postby crazycage on Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:42 pm

i run a dump valve on my fezz but i run a gt28 and wouldn't want to risk the damage as there not cheap :o
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