dump valve or chatter?
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dump valve or chatter?
hey all
before i bought my rs i asked the chap to refit the dump valve as i wanted to see what it was like to drive with one on. I have been searching up here and there and i quite fancy the idea of just normal "chatter" as i get a lot of pissed off looks from people when driving out of work or into town as most old people seem to literally s**t themselves when im driving towards them! Some people have said taking the dump valve off will reduce the lifespan of the turbo etc but is this true?
also what is everyones opinion on dump valves or chatter? comment away
before i bought my rs i asked the chap to refit the dump valve as i wanted to see what it was like to drive with one on. I have been searching up here and there and i quite fancy the idea of just normal "chatter" as i get a lot of pissed off looks from people when driving out of work or into town as most old people seem to literally s**t themselves when im driving towards them! Some people have said taking the dump valve off will reduce the lifespan of the turbo etc but is this true?
also what is everyones opinion on dump valves or chatter? comment away
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
i am not really sure on the differnce.
i am not all that on this loud hiss sound.
but i would have it on to help my turbo.
but i love this sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUEBAKw5vQ
sounds mint.
would be better on a higher powered car i supose.
i am not all that on this loud hiss sound.
but i would have it on to help my turbo.
but i love this sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baUEBAKw5vQ
sounds mint.
would be better on a higher powered car i supose.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
slaney21 : Some people have said taking the dump valve off will reduce the lifespan of the turbo etc but is this true?
I have been running mine at 30psi for a year now with as much 'chatter' as i can get and its still going strong...
x
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
I prefer chatter, loved the way mine sounded. But really wanted the original airbox fitted, which no longer makes any noise. So refitted the dump valve on mine.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
Dump valves arent needed on a T2 so wil be no problem at all.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
ok cheers guys
just need to get a new pipe now then
just need to get a new pipe now then
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
o god lots of hoses everywhere!!! dont know where to start
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
ok bud will do. cheers
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
i love the chatter noise but it does brake the turbo eventually cause its turbo stall where the air goes back through the turbo. but yea chatter is better than dump valve lol im having chatter! for a little while anyway
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
mine makes this noise with the dump valve installed!! i thought something was wrong as it was hissing out the breather pot when i first started it up!! .... til i noticed the dump valve was locked shut
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
landanimal :i love the chatter noise but it does brake the turbo eventually cause its turbo stall where the air goes back through the turbo. but yea chatter is better than dump valve lol im having chatter! for a little while anyway
It doesn't break the turbo.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
i have been told by a few people who have had a 200sx that it does eventually and if it dioesnt its not good for the turbo i have never seen a turbo broken from it but i have been told.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
Chatter Rules............ Dump valves are for Gays.....
Simples......
Simples......
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
fiend :landanimal :i love the chatter noise but it does brake the turbo eventually cause its turbo stall where the air goes back through the turbo. but yea chatter is better than dump valve lol im having chatter! for a little while anyway
It doesn't break the turbo.
Yes it does
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
my car is 19years old with the original T2 with 112k miles and its been chattering for most of its life and it hasnt broken.It doesnt even smoke or use oil and runs 13psi happily. Many things can contribute to a turbo breaking.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
SiZT :fiend :landanimal :i love the chatter noise but it does brake the turbo eventually cause its turbo stall where the air goes back through the turbo. but yea chatter is better than dump valve lol im having chatter! for a little while anyway
It doesn't break the turbo.
Yes it does
Explain...
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
The idea of a dump valve is to basically release pressure that returns to the turbo when you come off boost without a dump valve this pressure, excess air whatever you want to call it returns to the turbo and over time should in theory damage it. Although you may be lucky and it might not. I would always say I love the sound of a chattering car but I just spent £400 odd on mine so I would prefer to know its gona last longer and have a dump valve... I've got a universal induction kit on my car to and that makes its own gorgeous little woooshing noise, its brilliant my mum hates it.....PERFECT! lol
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
Its all about the Chatter
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
Okay lets clear this up......
Yes there is a back pressure that pushes back on the blades of any turbo. The dump valve will release this and give you the sounds. Now this back pressure is there with ALL turbo's but the most "at risk" turbos are your high pressure turbo's. With a T2 it is small, compact and shouldnt really be pushed past 12psi (standard turbo), thus making the turbine blades at "less risk" of back pressure breaking of the turbine blades.
The "chatter" (nothing to do with wastegate chatter) or flutter is the blades of the turbo "stalling" or slowing down, the same as a helicopters blades make a noise. You hear this very well on a FRST when you add an induction kit, as there are no restrictions from the turbo to airfilter, unlike an ERST and the airbox doesnt get to muffle the noise.
This has been a public information announcement for FT.com, by some old Scottish guy
Yes there is a back pressure that pushes back on the blades of any turbo. The dump valve will release this and give you the sounds. Now this back pressure is there with ALL turbo's but the most "at risk" turbos are your high pressure turbo's. With a T2 it is small, compact and shouldnt really be pushed past 12psi (standard turbo), thus making the turbine blades at "less risk" of back pressure breaking of the turbine blades.
The "chatter" (nothing to do with wastegate chatter) or flutter is the blades of the turbo "stalling" or slowing down, the same as a helicopters blades make a noise. You hear this very well on a FRST when you add an induction kit, as there are no restrictions from the turbo to airfilter, unlike an ERST and the airbox doesnt get to muffle the noise.
This has been a public information announcement for FT.com, by some old Scottish guy
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2009 FRS2 : 377bhp ATW / 395lb/ft
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
Cant beat the sound of turbo stall
m old Si turbo running 14 psi made a great noise with the induction kit
m old Si turbo running 14 psi made a great noise with the induction kit
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
i built my 2i turbo just for chatter .people said to me,stick an mfi lump in for 200bhp.but no i stuck to efi.got chatter and 200bhp ,well roughly lol
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
I do like the whole chatter kills turbo's thing.
But standard car's do it - You just cant hear it usually.
But standard car's do it - You just cant hear it usually.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
Neither - both are look at me, I have a turbo.
Heavily insulated airbox or recirc DV.
Heavily insulated airbox or recirc DV.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
filtra :Neither - both are look at me, I have a turbo.
Heavily insulated airbox or recirc DV.
i dont do it for the attention, i just love the whooshing and whirring nosies only a boosted car can supply
cant wait to get my mr2 fitted with the chargecooler and get the boost up to 16 psi
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
slaney21 ::) ok cheers guys
just need to get a new pipe now then
You can also just get an alloy blanking plug, incase you decided to refit it later.
But Imo... Chatter is the only way to go!
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
ok so just to clarify,
will having a t2 without a dump valve kill it over time then a t2 with a dump valve??
i want to keep the dump valve on mine but want a slightly quieter one
will having a t2 without a dump valve kill it over time then a t2 with a dump valve??
i want to keep the dump valve on mine but want a slightly quieter one
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
It should do no harm at all... Otherwise Ford would have fitted them to the cars themselves.
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
Right i'm going to add to this subject all modren cars are fitted with recuirculating valves to stop the damage on the turbo escorts use a twin piston valve ie DV26 or DV36 fiestas only need a single piston valve ie DV24 or DV34 my 76000 mile FRST had damage to the blades when i bought it so vince @ cr turbos done a great job and brought the turbo back to life My advice always have your valve on
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
noel1982 :Right i'm going to add to this subject all modren cars are fitted with recuirculating valves to stop the damage on the turbo escorts use a twin piston valve ie DV26 or DV36 fiestas only need a single piston valve ie DV24 or DV34 my 76000 mile FRST had damage to the blades when i bought it so vince @ cr turbos done a great job and brought the turbo back to life My advice always have your valve on
Thats because modern cars have bigger turbo's than the old T2 a FRST has. And after 154,000 miles my T2 has zero damage, zero leaks and is quietly gathering dust in my lock-up
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Re: dump valve or chatter?
i run a dump valve on my fezz but i run a gt28 and wouldn't want to risk the damage as there not cheap
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