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[SyKaTurbo]

Im converting my ka to rst power. The lower arms in the pics look very similar to the ka ones, does anyone know whether these will fit on?

Also where are replacement ball joints and rose joints available from if they ever need to be changed?

[dan_turner]

Hi all
Firstly these lower arms are the bollox and if you are serious about the drivability and handling of your car you would be buying them If anyone is thinking that the price is high, they are not for the amount of good they actually do. As a Ford grease monky myself i can tell you that 8 out of 10 cars that come in for service or MOT's need new lower arms and they are £74 + VAT EACH from Ford so £280 isnt bad for a pair of rose jointed adjustable items. I personally am going to have to rob the piggy bank for a set for my FRST soon.

[MOONDUST FRST]

A phonecall is on its way to I.H

[chumkila]

Here's ways of contacting Ian - Click Here

[Si smiffy]

Yep, they can be done without the rose joints.

New arms £100 plus postage.
Modification to your existing arms £50.

The rose joints are fine for road use though. They are PTFE lined to significantly reduce the wear caused by road grit / salts.

So is this £100 each or £100 for the pair. and im right in thinkin these are the ones that will ajust ur camber

[Fiestasi-Andy]

Yep, they can be done without the rose joints.

New arms £100 plus postage.
Modification to your existing arms £50.

The rose joints are fine for road use though. They are PTFE lined to significantly reduce the wear caused by road grit / salts.

So is this £100 each or £100 for the pair. and im right in thinkin these are the ones that will ajust ur camber

£100 a pair

Yes they adjust

[MOONDUST FRST]

BTTT As these items are fuckin awesome and are worth every penny! One of the better mods

[rally543210]

Actually these are spherical bearings and not rose joints. The difference is that the SB has a hole in a spherical piece of metal that is free to rotate in another piece of metal. A rose joint has a threaded extension on it so you can attach it to a rod.
i have just finished making my own and it wasn't too difficult if you have access to a good toolmaker. Thanks Dad!

hi there- just wondering if you could let me know where to buy stuff for conversion-also how to go about the conversion. my son and i use a mk3 for tarmac rallying and are having severe probs with the front end stephen@challis8550.fsnet.co.uk

[FedeArg]

Im converting my ka to rst power. The lower arms in the pics look very similar to the ka ones, does anyone know whether these will fit on?

Also where are replacement ball joints and rose joints available from if they ever need to be changed?

Both cars use the same lower arms.

[Rhinopower]

Are these still available??

Although in the guides forum, nothing here telling you how to fit them1

[scoobyracer]

awesome, i want some .... if i had a fiesta!!! PPl that are worrying about the rose joints, if they were a problem, they wouldnt be used on WRC cars. And as far as wear goes, they'l out last £280 of crap ford 1's!!!

[xrsi]

has anyone got any pic of just the ball joint arangment? ie is it just the holes extended in both directions?

am thinking about making some at uni on the machines as it will cost next to nothing for a set of second hand arms and a set of new ball joints!

then get them powered coated to look new.... and no one would be any the wiser!

plus got a couple of places local that sell rose joints that i can get discount from so it would work out alot cheaper!

[rsboy82]

hi mate ive got an old set which need new bushes in how much would you charge to uprate the bushes and do the camber support can you pm the price please mate
cheers

[xrsi]

mate im not sure if i can do them yet!

gotta get the pics of adamski first and then price up the rose joints!

if i can i will post up in for sale section when i can!

[hervine16s]

look that ! fantastique !
Found on a French forum

http://passionfiesta.free.fr/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=112&sid=d64b4c6e7508cd8b22f7c78229659194

[Dazza]

Those look mint!
Am interested but unsure of how to fit etc?

hervine that looks nice but i dont speak french!

[muz]

i have a feeling those are the zoo motorsport ones, well they're the ones im having on mine

[MAD_Adamski]

there not zoo ones but i have to be honest don't care if i upset people but i'd rather have my fiesta frenzy items rather than relying on welds to hold my arms together...

[xr2i-carl]

why would you wear them out quickly on road use?


carl

[rowdyburns]

there not zoo ones but i have to be honest don't care if i upset people but i'd rather have my fiesta frenzy items rather than relying on welds to hold my arms together...

What a completely stupid comment to make, from someone who obviosly doesn't know s**t about fabrication!

How do you think titanium formula one suspension arms are held together?? oh s**t their welded, can't use those!

So how exactly do you think pressed steel ford items are held together? oh s**t they're spot welded, can't use those

That means your fiesta frenzy arms are held to gether with spot welds and oh look some more welding to hold the spherical bearings in!

Unless you are going to use carbon arms or cast you will struggle to find some that aren't welded.

I rather have some nicely tig/mig welded bottom arms than mass produced spot welds anyday! By the way, I'm a Cambridge Institute qualified TIG/MIG welder before you say i don't know what i'm talking about.

[MAD_Adamski]

there not zoo ones but i have to be honest don't care if i upset people but i'd rather have my fiesta frenzy items rather than relying on welds to hold my arms together...

What a completely stupid comment to make, from someone who obviosly doesn't know poo about fabrication!

How do you think titanium formula one suspension arms are held together?? oh poo their welded, can't use those!

So how exactly do you think pressed steel ford items are held together? oh poo they're spot welded, can't use those

That means your fiesta frenzy arms are held to gether with spot welds and oh look some more welding to hold the spherical bearings in!

Unless you are going to use carbon arms or cast you will struggle to find some that aren't welded.

I rather have some nicely tig/mig welded bottom arms than mass produced spot welds anyday! By the way, I'm a Cambridge Institute qualified TIG/MIG welder before you say i don't know what i'm talking about.

not going to ruin this good informative post, BUT i CAN comment on the zoo items that have snapped on at LEAST 2 cars i know of on normal driving! the same company HAVE had several other accidents with other welded products.... ALSO on a topic i have not been asked to publicise there is another reason for me not liking them too much do to problems....

i could not give my left testical if your a welder or a florist i AM telling you the welds or something in HIS/OTHERS products are faulty! many companies including delfex have tried to master a 'new' arm design and guess what they all have horror stories.....

i can say as can many others that the FF arms ARE the best on market who or how ever there welded is done perfect, therefore i have NEVER heard of these going wrong or being damaged in even hard driving!

so if you are a better man than me and can test them all prove that the FF arms are crap and the rest on the market are great or even if you have the ultimate design and wish to make them and show us the FF arms can be beaten i will eat my hat.....

but leave you with my final thought....

if you would gladly rather have some nicely tig/mig welded zoo arms on your car just take a moment to think about this.....

ian modified FORDS design... zoo made there own, how much money DID zoo pump into there design and how much did ford??? i think a car that was hugely produced had a much more vigerous testing than the latter....

so if you would gladly stick your life on the latter so be it, but i am not and will not

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[rowdyburns]

there not zoo ones but i have to be honest don't care if i upset people but i'd rather have my fiesta frenzy items rather than relying on welds to hold my arms together...

I am not saying that the FF items are crap, or that the Zoo items are any good.

In the above post you have made a sweeping statement that you wouldn't want to rely on welds to hold your arms together.

I was just simply pointing out that:

a) You all ready are, as stock arms are spot welded together - which is a cheap mass production way of fabricating something.

b)If you have FF arms, again you are relying on welds already, as the spherical bearing housings are tig welded to the for arms.

c)Most arms in all forms of demanding motorsport are fabricated using welding.

IF certain arms are failing it is not because they are welded, it is because the design is poor and/or THEIR welding is not up to scratch.

....and on the subject of you eating your hat.

Keep an eye on future issues of Fast Ford for pictures of some bottom arms that i plan to make for my XR2i track car. I have designed them using solidworks and they have been stress analysed using Cosmos.

[MAD_Adamski]

aware of what i said but i was short handing as i didn't want to directly bad mouth a 'certain company' but in this conversation you have brought me to do that...

i am aware all arms especially in motorsport rely on welds but AS you have said it depends on the welds and other aspects.... the zoo ones IMO are at stress points which is where it snapped and is 'apparently' now resolved...

all we can go on is what has been tested and to put it blunt the only ones GOOD on the market are the FF ones all the others have bad results....

but do design some new ones always room for improvement! i will keep my eye out. meantime you keep and eye out in this months fast ford for a certain fiesta that uses tried and tested parts ...

[JayC]

will i have to wait for these to be ordered, or can i get them as soon as they are made up?

i think i mean, am i going to have to wait for other people to order some before he gets them made?

ive emailed him but i can imagine hes pretty pissed off with loads of questions and not enought sells, so ill wait to phone him when i am ready with my bank card.

but i want to know the above really if anyone knows.

ill only be after the adjustable arms, not ball joints, i assume tho that the hub mount will still be modified.

how many people are using these? im not fitting 17s without them... thats why im keen to find out availability.
cheers

[JayC]

Im getting some of these soon over eccentric mounts just to set camber, but without the balljoints.

I guess this will still cause torque steer, but what are the effects of setting good camber and using polybushes? could i expect the same effect?s

[lucasdemoley]

I think with the arms being adjustable you can limit the amount of camber, which will help straight line road handling. As per torque steer, polybush items will be a big improvment over standard items.

Out of interest, are you sending arms to him or getting him to make some up?

Can someone tell me if he uses new bush things (the bit thats adjustable). Also, is it ok to have it done to arms from a motorfactors, or are they significantly wekaer?

Basicly, I have motorfactors arms on my car atm, but still have my old original arms. On the old ford arms the outer bush that wouold be adjustable has broken (the rubber gasket part), so woud he need new arms?

I think the rose bushed versions would be abit much for me, but I'm deffo in need of the adjustment as my tyres are smooth oneside and more than 50% tread left on the other!

What are the turn around times for these, and can he install polybush bushes instead of the rose items and for what cost???

Cheers!!!

[THEHOG~]

i have thought bout these and think i may go for a pair.
but wot are the prices on laser alininig

[lucasdemoley]

Have had my lower arms worked on now to reduce the camber, however had them fixed at 10mm shorter than standard and polybushed, and looking at the car I think its abit ott!They were done by a mate who does fabrication work as following what I had read here ect I felt it was the quicker option.

Car doesn't have mot atm, but when I sort it out I'll let you guys know what its like with like no/ positive camber!

[lucasdemoley]

Wow, just spotted nearly a year to the day of my last post in the thread!