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Postby lachojski2005 on Wed May 16, 2007 11:12 pm

what needs 2 be done 2 fit a erst engine in 2 a fiesta?do ya have 2 have a custom inlet made up?
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Postby Merritt__RS on Thu May 17, 2007 3:09 am

i think u have to run an efi head and inlet maniefold and then it will all plum in to your fiesta as be for. i know the bottom ends r the same but the heads r different as the escort head has no cut outs for the injectors to run efi . so i would put the fiesta head and inlet on the escort bottom end and u shold b ok. hope this helps chris
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Postby lachojski2005 on Thu May 17, 2007 7:56 am

cheers,finding it hard 2 get a frst engine within 100 miles of me that int 2 pricey.but can get a erst delivered cheap.so my 2i inlet will work on a frst head then so i just need the frst head and it will run?will the erst ecu and wiring loom need changing?
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Postby Oranoco on Thu May 17, 2007 1:06 pm

You'll need a hole drilling or an additional plate with trigger wheel for the CPS and either an EFI adapter plate of EFi head and cam (don't forget the FRST cam pulley is different to the XR item)
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Postby lachojski2005 on Thu May 17, 2007 8:45 pm

will it cost less 2 just get a frst engine than getting a erst engine and adapting it?going away 4 2 weeks in june and can get the conversion done whilst im away which is easier 4 me due 2 work.so looking at getting the parts soon.
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Postby Merritt__RS on Thu May 17, 2007 10:43 pm

wot car have u got a 2i or a turbo?
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Postby lachojski2005 on Fri May 18, 2007 5:46 pm

got a 2i at the moment converting 2 a turbo.
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Postby Merritt__RS on Fri May 18, 2007 6:00 pm

i would stick to the fiesta stuff its got to be easyer than mucking around the escort lump. but u can still use a t3 turbo as well if u want with a little bit of converting its not hard to do at all the only bit that is, is the exsorst. hope this helps.
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Postby lachojski2005 on Fri May 18, 2007 6:05 pm

just finding it hard 2 get hold of a frst engine.but can get a erst one.lol.so just wondering if it could be done and how much hassle it would be.
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Postby Merritt__RS on Fri May 18, 2007 6:22 pm

it can b done but i would use the fiesta turbo head and if u use the escort bottom end it would make the t3 conversion easy the only things u would have to do is move the rad foword a bit and mod the down pipe.
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Postby Oranoco on Sun May 20, 2007 10:06 am

If you already have a 2i you can just whip the head straight off and use it on the ERST bottom end. All you will need is the cam pulley from the RST (as it runs with more retard than the n/a one) and sort the CPS out.
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 12:05 pm

dont i need the frst cam then?will it decrease the performance putting the 2i head on?cheers
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Postby Oranoco on Sun May 20, 2007 12:15 pm

Tha standard 2i cam is the same as the FRST item. In fact the head, cam valves, inlet, injectors are all the same as the stock FRST items it's just the cam pulley that differs between the two
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 12:28 pm

ok.that sounds good 2 me.jus need 2 find an engine now.lol.that other engine has gone now.is that the only thing 2 change 4 the erst engine 2 fit then?cheers 4 the help.
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Postby Oranoco on Sun May 20, 2007 12:44 pm

99% sure the only difference is the hole for the CPS sensor
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 12:54 pm

where is and [ERRR] is that? :-? will the erst downpipe need modding 2 fit the 2i exhaust?cheers
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Postby Oranoco on Sun May 20, 2007 1:36 pm

You'll need a complete FRST exhaust. If you convert to the T3 fromthe Escort you will also need an Escort downpipe and a mate who's handy with a welder.

The CPS is located just about he starter motor on the block on the gearbox flange
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Postby j7aoc on Sun May 20, 2007 2:02 pm

As Oranoco said the only thing different is the cps as my bottom end is from a series poo :lol: It's not hard to covert it
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 3:44 pm

does it run alrite?i can weld so no probs with the exhaust.what do i do with the cps?whats different bout it?
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Postby Oranoco on Sun May 20, 2007 3:50 pm

The Escort block doesn't have the hole as it doesn't use one.

Which reminds me you'll also need to use your EFi flywheel as teh Escort item doesn't have the timing marks for the same reason.

Fiesta uses EEC-IV (OFAB or OFAC)
Escort uses Bosch KE-Jetronic
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 3:54 pm

what sort of price should i be looking 2 pay 4 the engine,only need a standard 1 not a tunned up 1?has any 1 done it this way be 4,could do with a guide.lol.
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Postby j7aoc on Sun May 20, 2007 6:43 pm

lachojski2005 :what sort of price should i be looking 2 pay 4 the engine,only need a standard 1 not a tunned up 1?has any 1 done it this way be 4,could do with a guide.lol.
My run's fine well up to 140mph haven't gone past that yet :lol: I used my old block as a template to show me where the hole need's to be drilled the hole is about 1 inch across so it's a big hole you could use a 2i cvh engine as a template and use the sensor as there the same
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 8:12 pm

thats a massive hole! :o how deep does it go?how much did you pay 4 the esrt engine?theres a couple on ebay at the moment that im watchin.you using a standard frst erst or uprated cooler?
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Postby j7aoc on Sun May 20, 2007 8:23 pm

lachojski2005 :thats a massive hole! :o how deep does it go?how much did you pay 4 the esrt engine?theres a couple on ebay at the moment that im watchin.you using a standard frst erst or uprated cooler?
It's all the way through the block (flange) My block wasn't a stand one im using a front mount pro alloy you will have to much work to get a escort one to fit
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 8:31 pm

so uprated frst one is best then?trying 2get everthing sorted in next3 weeks 4 when i hand it over 4 the conversion.need all the info i can get.lol.with the 2i head i will be using will i need the frst engine loom ecu?
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 8:37 pm

just emailed someone about an engine they said 325 delivered does this sound ok?its got a lsd gearbox aswell.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 51478&rd=1
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Postby j7aoc on Sun May 20, 2007 8:39 pm

lachojski2005 :so uprated frst one is best then?trying 2get everthing sorted in next3 weeks 4 when i hand it over 4 the conversion.need all the info i can get.lol.with the 2i head i will be using will i need the frst engine loom ecu?
Uprated what? You will need a frst loom and ecu you can do a conversion but it's a lot eayer just to buy a frst loom and you can use a 2i head as there the same
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 8:44 pm

uprated intercooler.lol.what do you think bout the engine?
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Postby j7aoc on Sun May 20, 2007 8:49 pm

lachojski2005 :uprated intercooler.lol.what do you think bout the engine?
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Mine i love it but it's a 1.9 not 1.6 you won't be able to tell the differents in the frst/erst blocks when driving. I would just go for the one that looked the best or had a rebuild
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Postby lachojski2005 on Sun May 20, 2007 8:54 pm

the 1 in the link looks clean and he says theres no play in the turbo and everting comes with it.do you think 325 is a fair price?
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Postby j7aoc on Sun May 20, 2007 9:39 pm

This is more but you get what you pay for http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Escort-RS-Tu ... dZViewItem
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Postby lachojski2005 on Mon May 21, 2007 7:37 am

yea i seen that 1 the other day.but i thought it was a bit 2much 2 pay just 4 me 2 use the bottom end of it.lol.will put an offer in on it and see what happens.lol.
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Postby j7aoc on Mon May 21, 2007 1:40 pm

lachojski2005 :yea i seen that 1 the other day.but i thought it was a bit 2much 2 pay just 4 me 2 use the bottom end of it.lol.will put an offer in on it and see what happens.lol.
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Worth a try i would say you don't want the fly wheel or head as there no use
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Postby lachojski2005 on Mon May 21, 2007 5:58 pm

will try and see what he says.the bloke whos doing my car said i would need a different fuel tank,do i?cheers
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Postby Oranoco on Mon May 21, 2007 7:11 pm

No, The XR2i and FRST share exactly the same tank and pump as standard. If the guy doing the conversion doesn't know this I would be wary of allowing him to do it.
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