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[Philie*RST]

Im picking up an escort rst engine next week for 350 includin loom/ecu full s/s zorst turbo ect but has no RAD or COOLER but what is best the fiesta engine or the escort? and whats the diffrents? i know the escort has a LSD clutch? thats all i knw lol think 350 is ok?
the engine has come out of a fiesta so will go stright in mine
also any ideas on performance parts would be greatful as the engine will be sat on a stand gettin cleaned and perfornce parts added
cheers, philie

[bassboy]

Im picking up an escort rst engine next week for 350 includin loom/ecu full s/s zorst turbo ect but has no RAD or COOLER but what is best the fiesta engine or the escort? and whats the diffrents? i know the escort has a LSD clutch? thats all i knw lol think 350 is ok?
the engine has come out of a fiesta so will go stright in mine
also any ideas on performance parts would be greatful as the engine will be sat on a stand gettin cleaned and perfornce parts added
cheers, philie

Escort turbo and Fiesta turbo engines are identical however the FRST block has a hole for the crank position sensor - although later escort engines also had these.

The LSD is in the gearbox and not the clutch...the clutches are the same (unless talking about S1 and S2 turbo in which case the S1 has a 200mm clutch while the S2 and FRST have 220mm clutches)

the inlet manfiold and fuel rail are different and the FRST uses a coil pack instead of d/cap IIRC

what power are you after?

bassboy

[Philie*RST]

im after 200+ as i said the engine will be built up for awile so money and time can be spent on the ryt parts i got an xr2i that its going in so il have too upgrade the fuel pump and other things think the turbo is on its way as he said its started to smoke a lil so might have to upgrade it or get it recond

[Philie*RST]

i have a full running escort s2 engine with turbo rebuilt motor only 6 months use 190bhp+ l/b bottom end stg2 head cams have loom and ecus and airmeter. pipes/hose allsorts.

thats what he said he got just need a rad and cooler was lookin at gettin an alloy rad an cooler their 2 in performance ford a new company but i forgot their name they also do the uprated fuel pump

[filtra]

The difference that bassboy described are due to the fact the FRST is EFi rather than the ERST's MFi.

[Jonezy]

erst uses a bosch ecu
frst uses fords ofab ecu

[filtra]

erst uses a bosch ecu
frst uses fords ofab ecu

Half right

ERST uses the older mechanical fuel injection from Bosch in the form of a revised KE Jetronic from the S1.

whereas the FRST uses the EEC-IV ECU from Ford. It came in two versions, OFAB and OFAC fitted to later cars.

OFAB is older but prefered as it can run higher boost more easily whereas OFAC has more safety feaures such as causing LOS if the ACT's go to high.

[bassboy]

yes mate you will need uprated pump and injectors

standard head and cam
you could low comp it slightly
GRS/Pro alloy/cosworth intercooler
ally rad
stage 2 t3

will EASILY see 200hp...just make sure you get the BIGGEST intercooler and suitable injectors and get it live mapped

bassboy

[Philie*RST]

will do i want it set up and r/r when fitted anyone knw a good one close too wigan/liverpool cheers for the help ppl

[bassboy]

if i were you i would send it in to Motorsport developments in Blackpool mate for the live map

as for rolling roads...just pop along to a local RR day...but try to go to one with a Dynamics Duo RR i think they are called as they are the most accuarte apparently

200hp is easy out of these engines

bassboy

[Philie*RST]

cheers mate will do. roughly how much is a live map? and what does it do haha

[Gazeddy]

a live map is set up for your car specifically not your engine spec as off the shelf chips are.

[bassboy]

cheers mate will do. roughly how much is a live map? and what does it do haha

a live map is basically programming the ECU to provide the CORRECT air to fuel mixture for YOUR engine...

EVERY engine in the world consumes air differently despite engines being spec'd the same....it all comes down to a HUGE number of different things - fuel delivery, air filters, exhausts, wear and tear on components etc...

now imagine an "off the shelf chip"...this would have been done to suit ONE engine that was probably in its prime and in good condition etc etc...now put that chip into an older engine, or one with a different exhaust, or air filter etc and the fuelling needs altering SLIGHTLY again right? YEP!

so say you upgrade to the next bigger chip....now this chip suits say 200hp...but say you only achieve 180hp...why is that?...say you use the CORRECT components for achieve 200hp...namely a HUGE intercooler, nice turbo, but retained standard head and cam...it could be that the "200hp off the shelf chip" was designed for an engine running a particular exhaust/air filter/head modifcations etc...the 200hp chip COULD be overfuelling your car like mad! or even under fuelling the car! could also be setting the timing advancement wrong for the application and causing the car to pink!

so for any given modifications, a CUSTOM remap needs to be written for the ECU to supply the correct amount of fuel and for the correct duration...

as a live map will get the most out of your engine as its written for YOUR engine, you will be getting the most power and reliability for the given modifications ....

a live map also entails having the car driven on the road under all conditions to check that the fuelling is correct over all loads and in REAL LIFE situations....and not on a RR where the loads are simulated and cooling is not as efficient as it is on a real road.

we cannot control the amount of air that enters an engine...but can control the amount of fuel to burn with that air for most power/fuel economy etc etc which is what a remap does for YOUR engine and YOUR engine ONLY

hope this helps

bassboy

[Philie*RST]

cheers mate under stand it now cant wait to get it and start building my fez again. been awile with the weather, soon as i can i want it resprayed or might try t cut, i was told it takes alot of work to t cut, and il get saw arms. haha cnt wait

[bassboy]

:D cheers mate under stand it now cant wait to get it and start building my fez again. been awile with the weather, soon as i can i want it resprayed or might try t cut, i was told it takes alot of work to t cut, and il get saw arms. haha cnt wait

if there is enough paint layers on the car...it is possible to just cut the paint all over (professional job/bodyshop only) and polish it back up...will get rid of all surface scratches and look like new for about £80-100

bassboy

[Philie*RST]

kool how do you know if theirs enough layers? dont wanna take it and the ppl their try bugger me by sayin it cant be done haha
its black now i want it black so it looks smart the driver wing has had a bad job, was told it could be t cut to make it look new