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[ba_rave]

Me and my mate were discussing this and trying to figure out why cars like sunnys do this!? But we couldnt come up with everything sensible.
Could anyone enlighten us as to why this happens?
Cheers for any help.

[AdrianFRST]

There isn't a sensible reason!

Basically too much fuel for the engine to burn, so it goes past and into the hot exahust - bang!

[chumkila]

these kindsa cars are made to do that btw. for the novelty factor me thinks.

[The Bruster]

Not all cars are "MADE" to do it some di it anyway!!! not like Sunnys, just pops of flame, Lou's Clio does!! (sometimes)

[sunnyFRST]

Nah Chumkila mate, I didn't get that custom map and pay that dosh back in the day on my old engine for that! (when mapping chips some companies run extra fuel on the over-run to cool the pistons + it's not just that that makes it flame).
Mine started flaming (without the use of a spark plug etc) - What could I do!?

Sunny.

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[chumkila]

oops i stand corrected in the case of sunny.

u beauty!

[oli]

u can buy kits that give u a firery exhaust!!

[packers]

id hate to be behind you at traffic lights when ya set off sunny......llama

[AdrianFRST]

On 2002-01-28 11:23, oli wrote:
u can buy kits that give u a firery exhaust!!

The kit's themselves won't make the car flame, they are just the coil and plug etc.

You need the car to be overfuelling or there won't be anything in the exhaust to burn.

[fiestakingfisher]

Yep, my Clio has indeed been known to throw out a little flame.

[johnny si]

How could i increase fueling on a 1.6 si at the top end?
or would this just fudge the cat up?

[Fezzy Turbo]

You will run the risk of over-fuelling and getting bore wash, it's a fine line between over-fuelling and under fuelling.

Cossies will flame naturally and ERST's and FRST's will give little flames when running very hot.

[AdrianFRST]

Reason:

It happens due to over fueling, fatal mistake, don't want any of that, not exactly hard to program is it, no so why don't they? Ahh, due to the fact that there isn't enough room on the chip to program it in, a std cossie won't do it as it completely shuts off the fuel when you lift off, when you tune, info won't fit on chip as your adding in more variables for a better ride and finer tuning, but then you get the over fueling on lift off. Nothing wrong with it really, just eats your bores and valves and possibly melts your bumper, or the person "behind you"'s bumper!

[Fezzy Turbo]

Your car does NOT need to be overfuelling for it to flame.
As i said the cossie WILL do it naturaly and even cossies with no "programmed" over run fuelling will flame with a flamer kit, i have seen the proof. I could get pics if you dont believe me
This is due to the unburnt fuel going through the exhaust as even SUL will not burn 100%, you will always be left with some fuel, but this is dependent on the level of tuning etc....

me0u021e.......WTF are you going on about ? "not enough room on the chip to program it".......that is utter rubbish. I am an electronic technician and i have programmed EPROM, EEPROM chips and have never run out of room and these are for drilling controlers, downhole tools and surface equipment for the oil industry, which will have lots more code than a cars management system.

[AdrianFRST]

Ok then why not program the car like a cossie to completely shut off the fuel on lift off? Thats what I've done, works fine. Oh a natuarl cossie (with flamer kit), nice keep to what I said, not your added (with flamer kit). If you program chips then you must have a really rapid well tuned car then, much respect, or do even you send it off to the tuners?

[EvilFranky]

Here we go again

[Mental Mk2]

I started an argument on here about zetec turbos and i only want 1 answer but he started going off on one.

A new generation of internet riotters

[Fezzy Turbo]

On 2002-02-04 11:18, me0u021e wrote:
Ok then why not program the car like a cossie to completely shut off the fuel on lift off? Thats what I've done, works fine.

If you program chips then you must have a really rapid well tuned car then, much respect, or do even you send it off to the tuners?

I wasn't going to bother arguing but i am in the mood for one

1) WTF!!! you have programmed a cossie to have no fuel on the over run how the hell does it keep going ? there has to be fuel for the engine to keep turning and for you to put the foot down again to keep going.........you are talking complete and utter bo11ocks!!!

2) I said i programme chips for oil industry equipment NOT car managment systems

[UHF]

hehe @ fezzy turbo.

[AdrianFRST]

no I didn't do it for cosworth someone I know of did it for them,

"1) WTF!!! you have programmed a cossie to have no fuel on the over run "

no I didn't do it for cosworth someone I know of did it for them,

"how the hell does it keep going ?"

flywheel + lean burn

"there has to be fuel for the engine to keep turning and for you to put the foot down again to keep going"

Hmmmm, so you say no petrol means the pistons can't go up and down? how do you start your car? oh you obviously leave it running all the time

".........you are talking complete and utter bo11ocks!!!"

research it then come back

Oh and btw, don't comment on engine management if you write oil industry chips and don't know about engine management

[Muzza]

On 2002-02-04 11:18, me0u021e wrote:
Ok then why not program the car like a cossie to completely shut off the fuel on lift off? Thats what I've done, works fine. Oh a natuarl cossie (with flamer kit), nice keep to what I said, not your added (with flamer kit). If you program chips then you must have a really rapid well tuned car then, much respect, or do even you send it off to the tuners?

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Why dont you just get your coat and 'f**k off?
come back when you've built your revolutionary engine (i.e. 'f**k off and never come here again)

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[Fezzy Turbo]

I have asked about engine managment programming and it is a lot of information, but the programme for a drilling computer for an oil rig, is approx TWICE the amount of code!!

Next arguement ??

"flywheel and lean burn"...ok that will keep you going, but who in there right mind programmes a turbo charged car to run on lean burn ??????? the fuel helps cool the pistons!! if not you could get high temps and could eventually get detonation............AND by the time you put your foot down and the fuel eventually gets through you will induce more lag as the system catches up.

Next arguement ??

[AdrianFRST]

OK OK, think what you like, I have my sources, you have yours, the only difference is mine wrote the original sierra 3door cosworth chip and yours is, well, you don't specify.

[Mexi]

my mates used to pop and flame on over - run, looked and sounded superb!!!!

that was standard aswell.

[Phil Si]

my old 1.0 popular was flaming

[Phil Si]

flaming slow that is

[Fezzy Turbo]

On 2002-02-06 14:04, me0u021e wrote:
OK OK, think what you like, I have my sources, you have yours, the only difference is mine wrote the original sierra 3door cosworth chip and yours is, well, you don't specify.

Have you run out of bu11sh1t ??? that sounds like a defeated muppet

winner me

[AdrianFRST]

What do you mean Fezzy "bleed valve" Turbo? I gave a pretty damn good reason as to why what I said was true, and you win? Hmmm... I think your mom was wrong, it isn't the taking part it is the winning, and santa claus doesn't really exist.

[cubby240]

me0u021e,
Who "wrote the original sierra 3door cosworth chip?"

[AdrianFRST]

Ian Whitehouse I believe, does the gartrac conversions awell. Oh and has a 410hp erst.

[cubby240]

Cheers mate, do you think he would mind me contacting him regarding my Cossie Transit??

Cubby.

[Fezzy Turbo]

A 410hp ERST!!!!

what engine is that with ? and do NOT say a 1.6 CVH!!!

[AdrianFRST]

Do you know him too? Hes supposed to be well known in the cossie world, you go to his house and theres like 4 peoples cossies in pieces being built up. I'll get a number off him if you want, he does this kind of stuff in his spare time really.
Dunno what litre it is Fez, might use an american long block. Its got the works though, he runs it off a laptop sometimes, but then sunny says it is impossible and sunny MUST be right.

[EvilFranky]

MEO0020132910...when u gonna drop this thing with Sunny?

Getting a bit boring now. He seems to have stopped posting remarks about u, so why not do the same?

I mean, if u would rather not take notice of Adrians post about u lot...then u will just get yourself banned.

That would be a bad thing, no one wants to see anyone banned, especially if like u they know stuff about engines...although preach about it in a very arrogant way.

[Fezzy Turbo]

Even with the American 1.9 long block CVH, i would very much doubt you would get 400bhp.