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[Captain Tightpants]

I'm horny for throttle bodies at the moment dude!

Got TB's & cams ect to do on an ST170 lump soon, Hmmmmmmmm

Steve

[Max M4X WW]

I'd have TB's on mine but its pricey!

[heeman10]

Money can't buy you love Max, but it can buy Jenveys, an ECU and a whole load more torque

[Max M4X WW]

Not a lot more though I don't think? I'd be better off with a turbo'd engine I think. But not this engine.

[heeman10]

The 2.0 XE we did went from a short, spiky 110lbft curve to nice wide open 150lbft curve, and power went from 145bhp to 175bhp IIRC, once again, nice and wide instead of the short-lived factory curve.

[niracka]

How much would you estimate it all costing for a zetec??? Without the adittion of high comp pistons and double valve springs ect. So a basic throttle bodies set up????

ollie

[heeman10]

Ollie - Drop me an email at work and I'll get back to you with a quote: james@for-tunepve.com

[Max M4X WW]

The 2.0 XE we did went from a short, spiky 110lbft curve to nice wide open 150lbft curve, and power went from 145bhp to 175bhp IIRC, once again, nice and wide instead of the short-lived factory curve.

Yep, Those engines respond to them but AFAIK they are a lot stronger and a great engine in the first place. Seen loads on TB's making 200+

[niracka]

james - Its not for anytime soon more just wishfull thinking. However I am hopefully going to be buying a 3.5 si and a 2.0 zetec which I would like to either turbo tb. Not to sure which way to go with it as apart from the overall outcome, money is a BIG factor

[heeman10]

Ollie - Money is generally the biggest deciding factor with these things unfortunately. Drop me a line when the time comes then

Max - On a fresher engine, and with some cams, there's probably a good chance the XE would have made close on a genuine 200bhp, certainly with some head work and raised compression

[Max M4X WW]

Yep, Sounds about right. Used to spend a lot of time on MIGweb

[heeman10]

That's fair enough, the only issue is that power claims are only as good as a) their source and b) the equipment that measured the power. More often that not, neither are to be trusted! We're seeing it week in, week out; solid "gospel" power figures, proclaimed to be "the" power output on particular engines with particular modifications simply aren't right. I can only assume they come from all the over-reading rolling roads of the past. I sometimes explain to customers that a car that feels like a 200bhp car only feels so because we've all been in "200bhp cars" that have been to a rolling road at some time in their life. Unless it was tested on good, solid, proven equipment (e.g. Dyno Dynamics), that "200bhp feel" could well be the feel of a genuine 150bhp car. Funny how our milestones also have to shift with the times

[Max M4X WW]

Understood totally, Cant remember the details etc of the particular car that I'm thinking about but there you go!

[garyhurn77]

i here and agree with what you are saying jim, a good friend of mine bought a supposid race spec xe whihc pushed 235bhp 188ft lbs on twin 48 carbs (was used for this weird type of racing stock hatch, racing round a big oval) my friend bought the engine for 3,500, (it had jus jhad a full rebuild by john toovey race engines with recipts for 8k)

we fitted it, mated it to some jenvy tb's an sdb type c manifold, mbe management had it mapped by dave young @ mech motorsport and it made 217bhp 156ftlbs but figures are nothing really jus pub talk the way the thing drives you'd think it had 300bhp, it revs and revs and revs! but i agree with these inf;ated power figures i did see an engine with an proved 265bhp ........... no chance, put it on a decent calibrated set of rolleres i d bet it would make 220 most!

[hb69]

I have just finished putting together a race 106. Jim finished mapping it last week. Its running essentially a 1300 block. It came out with 138bhp. Not bad for an old 1300 8v.

Steve

What was the spec if you dont mind me asking?

[heeman10]

I have just finished putting together a race 106. Jim finished mapping it last week. Its running essentially a 1300 block. It came out with 138bhp. Not bad for an old 1300 8v.

Steve

What was the spec if you dont mind me asking?

It's a Richard Longman race engine. Something like 12.5:1 compression ratio, forged rods and pistons, enlarged valves, head work, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, cast ally inlet manifold to allow downdraught motorbike throttle bodies, C20XE injectors, Emerald K3 engine management system. The engine is limited to 8,000rpm.

[hb69]

Nice one James

[Smo]

It's a Richard Longman race engine. Something like 12.5:1 compression ratio, forged rods and pistons, enlarged valves, head work, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, cast ally inlet manifold to allow downdraught motorbike throttle bodies, C20XE injectors, Emerald K3 engine management system. The engine is limited to 8,000rpm.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

[hb69]

It's a Richard Longman race engine. Something like 12.5:1 compression ratio, forged rods and pistons, enlarged valves, head work, 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, cast ally inlet manifold to allow downdraught motorbike throttle bodies, C20XE injectors, Emerald K3 engine management system. The engine is limited to 8,000rpm.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

i know! That kind of stuff should be in an over 18's only forum or something