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[heeman10]

He made it misfire and stutter at around 5,000rpm for traction? Holes can appear in maps dude, I'm not slating Ahmed's professional ability Maybe an HT lead was on the edge of dying...either way, it wasn't pulling cleanly through every gear - just spotting more areas there may be for improvement

We must hear this war cry

[Paul R]

It sounded like there were one or two holes in the map in a video I watched of Ripley blasting up Brunters,

Which vid?

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4PyebU8CS0

[C8 RST]

It sounded like there were one or two holes in the map in a video I watched of Ripley blasting up Brunters,

Which vid?

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4PyebU8CS0

Is he talking about the limiter paul?!?!?!

Thats all i hear you hitting!! :

[heeman10]

It sounded like there were one or two holes in the map in a video I watched of Ripley blasting up Brunters,

Which vid?

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4PyebU8CS0

No not that one buddy, it's one Gav made quite a while ago. It's not the limiter, but I'm sure Franco was joking there. It was on a much darker day, a bit damp I think, and didn't pull cleanly right through the rev range as it does on that vid...perhaps the one I'm talking about is an older one when things weren't perfected Anyway, don't want this thread ruining like yours, I just don't know what happened to two-sided technical discussions

[C8 RST]

It sounded like there were one or two holes in the map in a video I watched of Ripley blasting up Brunters,

Which vid?

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4PyebU8CS0

No not that one buddy, it's one Gav made quite a while ago. It's not the limiter, but I'm sure Franco was joking there. It was on a much darker day, a bit damp I think, and didn't pull cleanly right through the rev range as it does on that vid...perhaps the one I'm talking about is an older one when things weren't perfected Anyway, don't want this thread ruining like yours, I just don't know what happened to two-sided technical discussions

I was talking about the Youtube vid above, sound very clean run until he hits that poxy limiter at the end!

[Paul R]

Why do you say 'its the map' ?

[ianFRST]

It sounded like there were one or two holes in the map in a video I watched of Ripley blasting up Brunters,

Which vid?

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4PyebU8CS0

No not that one buddy, it's one Gav made quite a while ago. It's not the limiter, but I'm sure Franco was joking there. It was on a much darker day, a bit damp I think, and didn't pull cleanly right through the rev range as it does on that vid...perhaps the one I'm talking about is an older one when things weren't perfected Anyway, don't want this thread ruining like yours, I just don't know what happened to two-sided technical discussions

its never a 2 sided technical discussion when the other person thinks there right and your wrong

[~S1~]

I havent watched any of the vids in question but I know there is a very minor missfire at the topend that Ian Howell has put down to a slightly weak valve-spring causing a bit of float at the top end. It doesn't cause too many problems as by that point peak power has past so its dead revs anyway.

[~S1~]

Just to clarify a few points raised here, for the time being the engine will remain as it is. Once it's running again I will see what the times and traction are like and may sell the engine on and have Ian build me a whole new package, thats a maybe. In the meantime I want to make a few minor changes. When I bought the car Paul mentioned to me Ahmed had developed an RS1800 manifold to fit in place of the RSturbo item. I contacted Ahmed recently and found he had sold the manifold so am sourcing one myself. Ahmed reckons there are a good few horses to be released just with a change of inlet fanimold. He also recommended a change to a single-pass IC. I could have got the GRS modded but the Pro-Alloy one came up. After a bit of dealing it only cost £100 more than the GRS. By the time I had got the GRS modded to a single-pass and paid postage etc it would have been a similar cost. I already have a reverse-charge carrier so there isn't much pipework to sort out.

Another possibilty that both Ahmed and Ian are pushing me towards is a little bit of NoS although I may replace the rods with some decent ones before I go that route.

Hope that explains some things and please guys, play nice

[Paul R]

I havent watched any of the vids in question but I know there is a very minor missfire at the topend that Ian Howell has put down to a slightly weak valve-spring causing a bit of float at the top end. It doesn't cause too many problems as by that point peak power has past so its dead revs anyway.

Thats exactly right but that was only in 5th gear never on launch and nothing to do with the mapping.. in fact when you consider it was only on OFAB I think Ahmeds mapping was godly. I could look at James comment as an insult to think I'd run the car with misfires at Brunters.. hopefully he didn't mean it like that...

Paul the RS1800 inlet is a must

Nos and steel rods was something I also discussed with Ahmed

[heeman10]

Ripps - I only ever use forums (FT.com and PF.com alone actually) for light-hearted banter, the cars (obviously) and technical discussions with those who want to enter into them. A huge amount is learned by throwing ideas and theories back and forth, so I love delving into them. Nothing's personal, differences in opinion will ALWAYS arise, but for people to take offence such as Franco has been all day today (and as you seem to be doing now) it spoils such conversations that are anything but offensive. By suggesting your car may have had a misfire wasn't a "dig" at you, at Ahmed, or anyone else. The car misfired, I'm not criticising a person here. Cars misfire for all sorts of reasons, and it's pretty upsetting to see all these comments flying around now. I don't know how such things are being turned from open, light-hearted discussions into threads of hatred!

El Robertos - I'm never a million miles away when there's a naughty engine package up for grabs, nuff said I think

[C8 RST]

It sounded like there were one or two holes in the map in a video I watched of Ripley blasting up Brunters,

Which vid?

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4PyebU8CS0

No not that one buddy, it's one Gav made quite a while ago. It's not the limiter, but I'm sure Franco was joking there. It was on a much darker day, a bit damp I think, and didn't pull cleanly right through the rev range as it does on that vid...perhaps the one I'm talking about is an older one when things weren't perfected Anyway, don't want this thread ruining like yours, I just don't know what happened to two-sided technical discussions

its never a 2 sided technical discussion when the other person thinks there right and your wrong

Not in the slightest pal, i'm always willing top learn! I see you havent changed in the slightest!

James has been trying to rub us up the wrong way all day yesterday, but we'll put that down to an OFF day on all accounts!

Thanks for the info Paul, i can now see why you went this route! And could imagine the price of turning a GRS into a single pass. Suprised you have never thought of going down the rs500 cooler route though??

Man of you're spanner work would of made it fit!

Good luck anyway with it all!

[ianFRST]

i havnt changed in the slightest? think your on about the wrong ian there, and ive never seen you on here before

[heeman10]

Don't worry about it Ian

[heeman10]

I stand corrected.

Just went back to my PC to dig out the video I was referring to with the misfires, and it was when Ripley had already sold it to Roberts

[GavStyli]

was the one i made wasnt it sheman?
it defo wasnt running smooth through the rev range but who cares as paul still got awsome times. when running perfect, the same spec engine and general map/check over from ahmed should better his results in the same conditions.
that intercooler just needs to be tested now but single pass is defo the way to go to gain that extra bit of power and less lag.
but if u wanted high flow tryed and tested, using cosworth coolers the way to go

[~S1~]

I stand corrected.

Just went back to my PC to dig out the video I was referring to with the misfires, and it was when Ripley had already sold it to Roberts

What vid is it? Is it hosted anywhere?

[heeman10]

was the one i made wasnt it sheman?

Certainly was

[Xr_Dub]

Just read the last two three pages...
ahmed will laugh @ this if he saw it but then again he always cuss people on fourms ...

I dont think you can judge someones car on vids james
think you need to be there in the car or driving in real life terms....

yeh you can hear some missfiring to what extent thou?
how would you knw from a vid ?

For me ahmed is they best mapper.. all his cars that he has worked on with ian howell have proven to be fastest on the track without a doubt.

[~S1~]

was the one i made wasnt it sheman?

Certainly was

cool, got that on me PC at home, I'll take a look at this CHRONIC missfire

[mike_wall15]

This is all like chinese whispers!
James said a misfire can happen from a dodgy HT lead, or a hole in the map CAN develop. He's just giving ideas, possible causes etc
But it's all getting twisted...

I think some people need to read what people say more accurately

[Xr_Dub]

It sounded like there were one or two holes in the map in a video

i hope and dont think james is slating ahmeds mapping work,as it speaks for its self

i just want to knw how do you tell the mapping has holes in a video he watched?

im going to watch the vid @ brunters where i did 147 mph and see and hear anything....weird....

[~S1~]

For me ahmed is they best mapper.. all his cars that he has worked on with ian howell have proven to be fastest on the track without a doubt.

No-one here is doubting Ahmeds mapping skills, James has merely pointed out that there is a missfire and has put forward possible solutions.

The only missfire I can remember was the fluttery valve, I will need to watch the vid again to remind me. After that I may be able to shed some light on the matter.

[Paul R]

Paul I wish you all the best and as long as you stick with Ahmed and try and avoid the bedroom/forum tuners your car will continue to fly as it has in both of our hands

[Xr_Dub]

For me ahmed is they best mapper.. all his cars that he has worked on with ian howell have proven to be fastest on the track without a doubt.

No-one here is doubting Ahmeds mapping skills, James has merely pointed out that there is a missfire and has put forward possible solutions.

The only missfire I can remember was the fluttery valve, I will need to watch the vid again to remind me. After that I may be able to shed some light on the matter.

fair enough.....
p.s how long till we see youre car on the track doing sometimes?
next year?

[DaveMCMkIII]

I'm not slating Ahmed's professional ability

[Xr_Dub]

try and avoid the bedroom/forum tuners

man you made me laugh, so much with that

[heeman10]

Roberts - It's chronic, your life was in danger/

[/bedroom]

Atif - Read what I've put, and comment with some maturity, you're out of line and jumping on a bandwagon. Your experience of mapping comes down to your engine being mapped by Ahmed. That's one engine that you've driven of his, as far as I know. I'll say it once more - I am not doubting Ahmed's skills and I'm sure he'd laugh at this thread as much as anyone else. I can't believe so many people will jump on a comment regarding a misfire and take it as threats to their families and everyone they know! Calm down people, and take your hearts off your sleeves please!

[GavStyli]

tea or coffee anyone!?

[Xr_Dub]

as for saying ahmeds mapping has some holes ..

i take this back then.... i was out of line
soory james...

as for the rest i want to know how could you make a judgement about
somes mapping on vid you had watched...

thats all...

[heeman10]

Atif - That's ok, a few people have misunderstood what I said, and you have a PM to explain a little more.

Having a hole in a map doesn't have to be because the car's been mapped by someone (such as Ahmed). I thought that at the time the video I was referring to was shot, the car was a 2.1 Zetec Turbo running on the FRST OFAC ECU with a chip (such as a 195 chip) installed. Because the 195 doesn't provide a map specific to the 2.1 Zetec Turbo, it's perfectly possible that the engine wouldn't be running to its full potential - the way it could run with a re-map (by someone such as Ahmed). I was suggesting that the map the car was running from wasn't quite right for the engine, not stating that the car had been re-mapped, let alone that Ahmed Bayjoo "can't map".

[~nomad~]

Jesus, this has got a little out of hand and bandwagonish hasn't it? james never said it was down tothe map, he said it was a possibility. As for it being apperantly impossible to pick stuff up for a video, I agree its likely to be harder than if you are in the car, but I doubt impossible. Lets not all start a bitchwar about this though eh?

[~S1~]

Righto, just watched the Vid at Brunters filmed by our own Gav "Spielberg" Styli,

It reminded of the day and the events surrounding it. The car was loaded onto the trailer the day before so I was all ready the next morning, all I had to do was find Gav who was hanging around at the side of the motorway!

However getting it on the trailer, I had a few probs starting the car, sometimes it started, sometimes it didn't. I got it on the trailer and hoped it would be ok the next day. I was quite surprised when it started on the key at Brunters. I was however plagued by a strange intermitent missfire on the majority of runs which was not the valve flutter I mentioned earlier. Soon after the Brunters day I stripped the car down completely so never got to the bottom of the missfire or starting problem.

Just recently I dropped the engine and box back in to the rebuilt shell. Before I split the engine and box to check the clutch and clean up the gearbox I noticed that the flywheel sensor did not look to good. Further investigation showed that at some point the securing bracket had snapped. This had been repaired but over time the repair failed again leaving the sensor dangling loose. This is the only reason I can put forward for the missfire and starting problem.

[TomRS1800]

Atif - That's ok, a few people have misunderstood what I said, and you have a PM to explain a little more.

Having a hole in a map doesn't have to be because the car's been mapped by someone (such as Ahmed). I thought that at the time the video I was referring to was shot, the car was a 2.1 Zetec Turbo running on the FRST OFAC ECU with a chip (such as a 195 chip) installed. Because the 195 doesn't provide a map specific to the 2.1 Zetec Turbo, it's perfectly possible that the engine wouldn't be running to its full potential - the way it could run with a re-map (by someone such as Ahmed). I was suggesting that the map the car was running from wasn't quite right for the engine, not stating that the car had been re-mapped, let alone that Ahmed Bayjoo "can't map".

You really like digging a very deep hole don't you

I hope you can see the light fromt he bottom of your little hole


Paul - Glad to hear plans are going schwimmingly

[heeman10]

Paul - Thanks for clearing that up, saves me saying "told you so" Glad it was such a simple problem - I would've had the same problem if I'd tried using the CVH CPS - bugger hits the flywheel