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[FezzR]

No, you've got confused somewhere along the line matey.

I know what you're saying about the 13g thing...plus tensile accounts for nothing when it's in bending!

ah ha sorry i thought you were generalising caster/camber/track into the term tracking as most people (wrongly) do. makes it a lot clearer now

case if picking the best statistics that sound nice and proving nothing. [thats what the world seems to be about these though]

[TomRS1800]

Shie the bed dude! That could have been extreemly serious! Glad to see you and car are safe

Fair comments from all around

[Excursion]

Fair play the stuff is good for the track, and proven, but the demands that daily road use place on these components are completely different (ie fatigue).

Another area I've always been concerned about is rose joints and spherical bearings when used on daily driver applications.

[xrsi]

the area has fast fractured, this could have been due to a defect in the origional tube before manufacture though.

i would like to know if they do any none destructive testing on the components after they are built to ensure that they are free from defects prior to them being sent out as if there was a defect or microscopic crack that has grown through cyclic loading on that area then that may be a task that brom should look into.

when i was designing my suspension system for my uni project i did email him and ask how he tested the components and also what sort of safety factor was used. However he never emailed me back, which would have shone alot of light onto the failure.

[jdfiesta]

bugger a baby seal with a dyno rod, thats bad
JJ

[escortbreakers.co.uk]

thats terrible
it is not a good design to have the meeting point of the tubes in the middle.
they need more strengthening and they they'd be superb.
i had problem with deflex arm;
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[heeman10]

Yes, yes that is a problem. It's so concerning that components like this are making their way onto the road!!!

[DaveRom]

i had problem with deflex arm;

[/list]

Glad you're both ok. I think i'll be sticking with the standard arms. Dosen't inspire confidence really should the ford originals become obsolete.

[Oranoco]

Area Six still do posh arms and I think MEF Motorsport do some as well so all is not lost

[heeman10]

As I said Steve, my Area Six arms (one of them) loosened off at the ball joint (they work by clamping a slotted ball joint in a slotted lower arm), allowing the wheel to wobble and slide in and out in corners It's definitely a problem..I won't repeat myself as I've said this earlier in the thread, but they're the best arms out there at the moment I think, and easily remedied

[fiecos dan]

Is this sorted now??

Was there any damage to the car?

[MAD_Adamski]

i believe he got a brand new pair of the new design???

[Sunil_FiestaRS_16V]

There was no damage to the car as luckily i was just pulling away when it happened. Obviosully if it happened when i was caining it round a corner i would have been f**cked.

Ive sent the arms back to Zoo and they are gonna replace them with the new design ,which i have to pay extra for and i just dont have the money at the moment so havent sorted it yet.

[fiecos dan]

There was no damage to the car as luckily i was just pulling away when it happened. Obviosully if it happened when i was caining it round a corner i would have been fouquette.

Ive sent the arms back to Zoo and they are gonna replace them with the new design ,which i have to pay extra for and i just dont have the money at the moment so havent sorted it yet.

Sorry that seems wrong, Why do you have to pay more for a design which should of been suplyed in the first place?

How much Extra?


Your Very lucky, i had a ARB fault on my cossie last year, and the whole wieght of the car was placed onto the wheel, and that dont quite alot of damage, and i was only reversing into a junction at 2mph.

[Sunil_FiestaRS_16V]

There was no damage to the car as luckily i was just pulling away when it happened. Obviosully if it happened when i was caining it round a corner i would have been fouquette.

Ive sent the arms back to Zoo and they are gonna replace them with the new design ,which i have to pay extra for and i just dont have the money at the moment so havent sorted it yet.

Sorry that seems wrong, Why do you have to pay more for a design which should of been suplyed in the first place?

How much Extra?


Your Very lucky, i had a ARB fault on my cossie last year, and the whole wieght of the car was placed onto the wheel, and that dont quite alot of damage, and i was only reversing into a junction at 2mph.

Yea I was lucky it literally just pushed the corner of me bumper forward a smidge. COuld of been so much worse so im gratefull for that.

Its gonna cost me 140 squids to upgrade to the new arms which i just cant spare at the mo. THe car is off the road at the mo anyways due to it eating yet another clutch so thats more money i need to spend. Not sure what to do now, seriously considering selling it all up but i know id miss it and i know its got some really impressive to set once its all finished properly. Plus id never getr anywhere near my money back on the parts.

[fiecos dan]

i still think it should be a free exchange.

[~S1~]

I would ask for a full refund and then get some of IH's rose jointed lower arms.

Pay extra for new arms - Fu[k that.

[heeman10]

As said by those two ^^^ If you buy a Snap-On hammer for £50, hit a nail and it snaps, should you be expected to pay another £50 for a replacement? All you've done is use a component in its designed environment, there's no way you should be expected to pay for a replacement/pair! Zoo should be thankful their poor design and faulty part didn't cause a death, you've effectively carried out free prototype testing and could get quite legal about it if you were so inclined, I'm sure.

[RS_Rawli]

wrong, heeman you know damn well hammers are for knocking stuff into shape or making stuff fit

[heeman10]

Dammit, this T4 won't fit between my manifold and radiator

[RS_Rawli]

thats not a snap on hammer...

[heeman10]

And you're not a real man. Who's checking labels?

[Sunil_FiestaRS_16V]

I think the reason i have to pay more is that the new ones have rose joints with grease filled dust guards on them which cost more than the std type from what ive been told .

[MAD_Adamski]

I think the reason i have to pay more is that the new ones have rose joints with grease filled dust guards on them which cost more than the std type from what ive been told .

but in turn they supplied a product that was faulty that could have killed you....... so IMO a free upgrade should be satisfactory...

[heeman10]

I hope they've changed more than just the rose joints

[FezzR]

too many people accepting too much bull of companies for my liking,

baring in mind if these had have kill (obviously a big if etc etc.) they would be fighting a near on £million claim (i know they have insurance for this) but would still affect their business alot, usuall puts smallish businesses out of business because insurance companies wont want to know them after.
in conclusion they've been very lucky so far.

second point, (the same as the deflex arguement) you brought goods off them, the good were not fit for purpose. if they are not fit for purpose then they either refund your money or supply you with exchange items. Just because they have changed the design doesnt mean they get to take more money off you.

at least with the money back you would be able to replace the clutch and maybe even as a last resort get standard arms just so the car is drivable/sellable

just my 2p

[rich_frst]

as above, think you shouldnt be giving them more dosh for another prototype set

what if it happens again will they just up the price and change something again and hope it works... takes the p!ss if you ask me

[Priezti]

its not the fact that you never had an accident its the fact that you could be dead due to poor manufacturing, that looks like a streess fracture not from full on abuse. id tell them where to ram the sharp end of that tube mate, like i say its what could have happened rather than what did!

[CarismaDave]

Personally I'd just get a set off Ian. With such important components like that I cannot imagine anyone will have done enough testing for a road application in the same way as Ford will have done. As Ian's are an improvement on that I don't think you can lose really...unless you are Jim

Dave

[~S1~]

Personally I'd just get a set off Ian. As Ian's are an improvement on that I don't think you can lose really...unless you are Jim

Dave

Well he is a bit limp-wristed, he probably didn't do 'em up tight enough!

Back on topic, get a set of Ian's arms. There is no debate on the strength of the arm as they are modified Ford arms. The rose joints are welded in, they will not fail like other nylon bushes, the arms will not snap.

[heeman10]

I did them up extremely tightly, but some of the clamping force will have been taken up by the natural spring in the steel plate the arms are formed from. In time that spring will relax into the position its been clamped, which no doubt contributed to the ball joint slipping. Also, putting lateral forces through two smooth faces that are clamped together is about the best way to loosen up those clamped faces!

[AdamB]

i can never find a link to the area-six website, can anyone help?

[Raymondo]

http://www.area-six.co.uk