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[wywywywy]

Hi all,

I am thinking about these ideas recently but I am not sure if there is any downsides or would they work at all on a standard MK3 Fiesta. So please enlighten me

1. Fitting dampers and springs from 2i/RST or any SX model - lower 25mm and more stiffness?

2. Fitting calipers and discs from 2i/RST or any ABS model with vented discs - same mounting?

3. Fitting fuel pump from 2i/RST for more smooth ride - I don't even know what am I talking about?

Please enlighten me. I am not afraid of being laughed.
Thanks.

[PaulC]

1. Dunno
2. I have 2i calipers and disks on my once standard fiesta, is alot better than the standard solid ones. And they go straight on.
3. I dont think changing the pump would do anything like that, it might even break something. And you would need a new fuel tank if it's a carb as the injection ones are about twice the size!

[heeman10]

1. I did this on mine, and although it sounds like a load of crap, and I could understand all this being in my head, buuut....it did feel a lot more stable in corners, much less roll, and properly damped compared to my standard setup

2. XR2i calipers and vented/grooved discs are going on this weekend so I'll be able to tell you what the differences are after that!

3. Feck knows.

[wywywywy]

Thanks for the info.

I think the reason I ask #1 is mainly because of the dampers... as there are more choices of aftermarket springs available for 2i/RST/SX than standards.

So 2i calipers are really different to the standard ones, right? I was worried that they are the same...

Heeman10 make sure you post a guide (with pics) like you always do!

[PaulC]

The 2i calipers are wider, if you put a vented (2i) and a solid (standard 1.0/1.1) brake disc next to each other, the 2i one is about 3 times thicker.

heeman10 - Did you put 2i/RST springs on, or something else?
I have the lower S brace from a 2i on mine and that made it feel alot more stable!

[heeman10]

I'm getting a hand from Fiesta_Steve on here to do the brakes Will take my camera along if I remember Not much of a guide to it really, just a case of: crap, single solid discs off, puny gay standard rusty calipers off....big fat new shiny 2i calipers on, enormous vented grooved Tar.Ox discs on Brake and wait for the world to stop Can't wait!

The calipers are much bigger than standard Mk3 items. I don't know how much you know, but the XR/RS vented discs are about three or four times thicker than standards. They're effectively two solid discs with casting in-between them which acts as a pump, driving all the hot air out of the vents, cooling the brakes down. The calipers therefore have to be wider to take this extra thickness.

PaulC - My suspension is all of an XR2i, but without the brace. I really want to put one on, but don't know how easy it is Did you put XR suspension on yours, then put the brace on afterwards? ie was there a big gain by fitting the brace, or didn't you have a chance to feel the differences between standard - XR suspension, then XR suspension - XR suspension plus brace?

[heeman10]

Just to explain what I was babbling on about...

This picture shows the view looking down on the caliper. You can see the two plates which make up the disc, and those notches in between the two plates are the vents.



Here's another one, perhaps slightly clearer



And another



And some grooves for good measure

[PaulC]

PaulC - My suspension is all of an XR2i, but without the brace. I really want to put one on, but don't know how easy it is Did you put XR suspension on yours, then put the brace on afterwards? ie was there a big gain by fitting the brace, or didn't you have a chance to feel the differences between standard - XR suspension, then XR suspension - XR suspension plus brace?

Have just got the brace on, it bolts on to the wishbones as far as i know. Havent got the suspension on, just the brace but hopefully will do some time soon.

[heeman10]

Hmmm I seeeee...did you do it yourself? Is it a simple job? I thought they bolted onto the suspension legs somewhere And it's just off a 2i? how much did you pick it up for?

[PaulC]

We put it on my car when I did my engine transplant with MMo. Came as part of the transplant. I'm pretty sure it bolts onto the wishbones.

[wywywywy]

Better fuel pump = high fuel pressure = more misty fuel pattern = easier and better combustion = smoother engine running.

Or is it not the case?

Thanks.

[PaulC]

The fuel pump is capabale of a huge amount of pressure. The pressure regulator at the end of the fuel rail regulates this to around 3 bar I think it is (factory setting, can usually be adjusted). For a carb'd car, there would also be a pressure regulator but I dont know where that would be.

Just noticed these calipers on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... gory=21654

[wywywywy]

Just noticed these calipers on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... gory=21654

Yes I noticed it too last night.
Auction snipped

Questions:
1. When you buy a "box" of brand new brake disc, are there two brake discs (a pair) in the box?

2. When you buy a "box" of brand new brake pad, are there four brake pads (two pairs) in the box?

Because on POTN.com, a brake "kit" for 2i is 199GBP, but discs are 50GBP and pads are 60GBP? Why would anyone buy a kit then?

3. Are brake pads the same for 2i/RST and standard models?

4. Some people say "don't buy 2nd hand discs", should I?

[Liebo]

Questions:
1. I had to buy my 2i disks separately.

2. The last time I bought some pads, it was 2 in a box.

3. The pads for 2i/FRST/RS1800/Si1.6 are bigger than standard

4. Depends on the condition. If they are hardly used, get the hardly used pads to go with them so they are worn into the disks.

HTH

[PaulC]

1. My discs came as a pair (brembo).

2. All 4 pads in the box (ferrodo).

4. I would rather spend £25 on brand new discs as its peoples lives at risk.

[wywywywy]

Thank you for the answers
Please disregard question 4, because I didn't a set of discs cost so little (12.70 on Fiesta-centre.co.uk). I thought it was like 60pounds a pair.

Anyway, I won the caliper auction Will check how much the brake discs are in the local Motorworld.

Now question time (again!)
1. Are 2i and standard shock absorbers/dampers the same?
2. Do I need to drain all the brake fluid when changing brakes, or just clip them and top up after all work has been done? (discs, pads and calipers --- front)
3. I recently saw some FRST gearbox on eBay, which is with LSD. Now I really fancy this, but would it fit my standard MK3? (probably won't be able to put it on by myself though)

Thanks.

[PaulC]

£12.70 is cheap! Are they vented and thats for a pair? I thought I had a bargain at £25 for brembo ones

For the questions:

1. 2i and turbo shockers have front ARB (anti-roll bar) mountings and I think are gas shocks. So they are different to standard.
2. You can clip the the hose, top it up and bleed.
3. I'm not 100% sure on this one, but I dont see why it wouldnt.

[wywywywy]

Thanks PaulC.

I am not too sure whether 12.70 is for a pair or just one...
But I think, the material/labour itself would probably cost over 10.00? (stainless steel is not as cheap as it used to be nowadays, or so I heard)
So may be 12.70 is just for one then. http://www.fiesta-centre.co.uk
Anyway, where did you buy the Brembo discs?

You know the brake, why does it need bleeding after topping up? And what do I use to clip it?

Thanks.

[PaulC]

Got the discs from a local motor factors. I get a discount, but its not much.

Brakes are hydraulic, so any air in the system needs to be bled for it all to work correctly. Use anything you can find to clip it but be sure it doesnt damage the hose.

[Stoned]

Doesnt take long to bleed the entire system with eeizebleed or similar so may as well do it at the same time. This time using some nice DOT5.1

[PaulC]

Whats a "eeizebleed"? Just a make of a one man bleed kit?

Why do you say to use DOT5.1? You would have to drain the entire system and be sure none of the previous fluid was mixed with it. Also, its more expensive and harder to find. Whats wrong with DOT4?

[FezzR]

uprating suspension is well worth it
brakes is worth it
i have a FRST pump in me 1.3 and it makes a differnece when combined with de-cat and adjusing FPR, but would only recomend de-cat, playing with fuelling is dodgy unless u know what ur up to and can fix it when u bugger it up

[Tomdom]

just to let u know, if u put suspension designed for a 2i or watnot onto a1.1 with a lighter engine the car will sit stupidly, like pointing upwards if u get me, been there done that
deffo worth fitting the ARB's tho just but sum gmax -35 springs or sumit from xfactor

[wywywywy]

just to let u know, if u put suspension designed for a 2i or watnot onto a1.1 with a lighter engine the car will sit stupidly, like pointing upwards if u get me, been there done that
deffo worth fitting the ARB's tho just but sum gmax -35 springs or sumit from xfactor

Oh damn I ordered 2i springs already :~
But thanks for letting me know buddy

What is ARB?

Calipers arrived, will be fitting soon.

Thanks.

[PaulC]

ARB = Anti Roll Bar

Stiffens up the front suspension, similar idea to a strut brace.

If you are only changing the springs, you still wouldnt be able to fit this as I dont think a standard mk3 has the bolt hole for it.

[df908]

My suspension is all of an XR2i, but without the brace. I really want to put one on, but don't know how easy it is

This is the S-shaped undertray, right?

Piece of piss to put on - 4 bolts. Fixes on to the wishbone carrier brackets. Don't know if non-XR/RS carriers have the holes for the brace.

If you are only changing the springs, you still wouldnt be able to fit this as I dont think a standard mk3 has the bolt hole for it.

No they don't have the holes, this has come up before.


I think I have a pair of 2i wishbone carrier brackets if anyone's in need of them

[PaulC]

Don't know if non-XR/RS carriers have the holes for the brace.

They have some of the holes, some of them dont appear to be threaded. So it can be put on, but not with all the bolts in.

[df908]

but not with all the bolts in.

Is it worth putting on without all of the bolts? Can't imagine it would stiffen things up enough...

[Stoned]

Whats a "eeizebleed"? Just a make of a one man bleed kit?

Why do you say to use DOT5.1? You would have to drain the entire system and be sure none of the previous fluid was mixed with it. Also, its more expensive and harder to find. Whats wrong with DOT4?

Yep, one man kit; Pressurises the system to push out all the old liquid.

You can mix, but it isnt recommened and you wont get the benefits if you do. Basically it has a higher boiling point than DOT4 and it also stiffens up the pedal. So worth while if you have big brakes etc

Otherwise... dont bother.

[PaulC]

Is it worth putting on without all of the bolts? Can't imagine it would stiffen things up enough...

We did this with mine, handling is a lot better so it still stiffens it up, maybe not as much as with all the bolts in.

[df908]

So worth while if you have big brakes etc

Otherwise... dont bother.

Have you got a different master cylinder on yours?

[Stoned]

Yes I do, an Escort item.

[Brian]

About the suspension: I put lowering springs onto new 1.1 shocks, looks a treat but handling was not great (was still better than standard), so i fitted the 'brace' you guys were on about. The s-shaped crossmember stiffened the front of the car up so it felt level around corners (at the front anyway!)

2i suspension is a good upgrade but u need the weight of the xr2i engine to make it look good (and for better handling - thats how Mr Ford designed it)

Best alternative is to get a suspension kit for the 1.1 with shortened, uprated shocks, then it will handle better than mine does.

Anyone want to sell me xr2i calipers?

[Brian]

Another thing.

In general lower model fiestas do not have the mounting bracket for the ARB on the shocks (however my original Ford 1.1 ones did ??)

Also there are 4 bolts on the s-shaped crossmember, on the lower models there are 2 holes which are not threaded. You really need all four bolted up tight for better stiffness, so i "trimmed" a couple of lock-nuts which did the trick. However looking at it, i would imagine you could buy a "captive nut" from Ford to slot into the gap there is. but im not sure.

[wywywywy]

2. XR2i calipers and vented/grooved discs are going on this weekend so I'll be able to tell you what the differences are after that!

Where is the guide dude!!

Brian:
Are the ARB and crossmember DIY-able?

Thanks