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[UHF]

will you just leave people alone, participating in conversation is one thing but telling people they are stupid and a loser is quite another.

[Muzza]

On 2002-02-06 14:00, me0u021e wrote:
Well I agree do what you want but for sure don't listen to Muzza FRST, look at his pic of the engine bay and notice the BLEED VALVE, the mod of a loser, NEVER EVER IN A MILLION YEARS FIT ONE OF THESE! THAT IS UNLESS YOU HATE YOUR CAR AND WANT IT TO fudge UP. NO ARGUEMENT THIS IS FACT!

yup, tis a bleed valve not fitted or adjusted by me. at the mo i'm just running standard boost.
dont see the point in handing over 20 odd quid to ford for a new pipe when it can just be closed shut

[Ian C70T5]

me0u021e you're annoying me & everyone else..

SO fudge OFF...

I have a Bleed Valve.. It is only touched by my tuners... so dont start on bleed valves..

They get their bad name by people that misuse them with "winding the boost up" without changing anything else!

[Muzza]

too true mate

[AdrianFRST]

Correction, a bleed valve is fitted when a chip won't allow the boost required. It IS a bodge, no way to avoid it. You are lying to the chip telling it a different boost is being run, how can a car management run if it is lied to? Didn't say it doesn't work, it fudges your car over though. spend the dollar and get a chip that runs the boost you wan to run.

[Ian C70T5]

You're a bit of a shuffleER really aren't you..

PERHAPS you should get your facts right BEFORE you SLATE MY CHIP!!!!

I THINK you'll find i have a VERY fudgeING GOOD CHIP thank you very much..

! SO I RE-ITERATE!!!! fudge OFF!

[AdrianFRST]

So if you have a

"VERY fudgeING GOOD CHIP thank you very much.."

Then why do you need a bleed valve to run the boost you want to run? Why not get a chip that runs the boost you want to run? Thats all I asking.

PS ! SO I RE-ITERATE!!!! fudge OFF!

[Ian C70T5]

I simply have the Bleed Valve because it is "easier" to adjust the boost more precisely rather than adjusting the rod..

I dont have one of these plug in chips thank you ver much.. I spent a lot of money getting my chip and mapping.. SO DONT fudgeING JUDGE MY CAR!!!

[AdrianFRST]

Sorry but it takes under 30 seconds to adjust the boost, do it on the car park in between racing or what ever, plus then the chip knows exactly how much boost is being run.

[Ian C70T5]

You're right..

I obviously NEVER burnt my hand to a crisp when adjusting my boost on the track at alconbury!!

OBVIOUSLY

[AdrianFRST]

Well obviously it gets hot, wear gloves next time. I don't believe you posted that comment. Did you have to put your hand in a garbage disposal plug before you realised it would hurt?

[UHF]

This is totally pointless!

[Fezzy Turbo]

Meuomuppet.....

I have had bleedvalve for nearly 30,000 miles and it runs very well thanks. My car has been well looked after and checked out on a RR once a year and it has not damaged my engine or turbo.

next arguement

and with your understanding......a bleedvalve and K&N cone filter my turbo should have been dead by now........but NO it is not.

128,345 miles on the original turbo

could this be 2 - 0 to me ??

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[Doc]

Fezzy , tell the truth now!!
You have your car re-built every year cause you get an itchy bleed valve finger trying to catch the wee lasses up there

[Fezzy Turbo]

you got it in one Doc

[Fezzy Turbo]

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[Fezzy Turbo]

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[AdrianFRST]

so you have an RR (routine rebuild) every year? Well that just says it all doesn't it. And I think you'll find that score is incorrect, its more 2-0 to me. Go play with your little "bodges" and have a good time.
PS are you the same in that adjusting the boost properly so the car runs better is too hard for you or do you prefer the "easy lazy incorrect" way to adjust boost? Hows about we end this now, your just quoting your tuner and I'm quoting facts we won't agree so lets end it with your way and my way are best. Oh see you at the pod aswell.

[UHF]

Oh, you going to a track day, when & where, I've got a special kinda turbo car I wanna try out

[AdrianFRST]

OK UHF bring along your skyline or what ever, traction control must be turned off though.

[Ian C70T5]

Me... I thinkg you'll find DOC was joking about Fezzys car FFS

[AdrianFRST]

Ian, I think you'll find I didn't comment on or about or according to or what ever Docs comment. I questioned what RR meant, but if it means routine rebuild then my comment follwed on and still stands. I then went on to question why he has to fit a mod so he can lie to his ecu about the amount of boost he is running so he can go faster. Could you enlighten me on where I refered to doc?

[UHF]

no, I think its obvious to see that he meant "Rolling Road" when he said RR, it is to be honest very obvious, i'm surprised you missed it what with your superior intelect and all!

[AdrianFRST]

So RR means rolling road, sorry didn't know YOUR abbreviations, being as I dyno tune anyway, and being as he said his car is fine internally I presumed he had taken it apart (aka rebuild). And surely if a car is perfect then doesn't need RR as it hasn't worn and doesn't need seting up again, as nothing has worn and therefore not changed. Funny that. Where does this prove he isn't lying to his management system anyway?

[UHF]

wtf "sorry didn't know YOUR abbreviations"

Wasnt MY abbreviations, I used a complex algo which nobody has heard of before to decode the context and extrapolate the true meaning, thats FACT!

[AdrianFRST]

sorry there is a manakin over there in the corner you can beat that with your purse if you want.
Still no answer on the "why lie to your ecu?" question though.

[Ian C70T5]

On 2002-02-07 12:08, me0u021e wrote:
so you have an RR (routine rebuild) every year? Well that just says it all doesn't it. And I think you'll find that score is incorrect, its more 2-0 to me. Go play with your little "bodges" and have a good time.

Whats that mean then??

[Fezzy Turbo]

When i said i get my car RR once a year i meant rolling roaded once a year.

You should get a turbo charged car rolling roaded once a year to make sure everything is working well i.e : fuel pressure, emissions, boost. It is for piece of mind i get this done as to not incur any problems from over or under fuelling.....no harm in checking!!
This is the perfect time to find out how well your car is performing and to make any adjustments necessary.......i thought you would have known that ????? A car will not be the same all the time. When you get it serviced you change parts which can change the operating set-up of the engine.

Your arguements fall to pieces everytime.

[AdrianFRST]

OK straying from the arguement again. The arguement is "Why lie to your ecu?". I do realise the benefits of rolling road tuning obviously, thats why I retracted my statement about the routine rebuild, but still asking the question afor mentioned.

[Fezzy Turbo]

I agree a bleedvalve is not the perfect way to set the boost level on your turbo.
But as long as the ECU gets the voltages it is set to read it does not care what else is going on.
Yes you are "fooling" the ECU but this will not do it any harm as it is not receiving anything that will harm it, for example high voltages.

Bleedvalves can be ok as long as you leave them alone and have a boost gauge to keep your eye on the boost.

[Asad]

Im not sure here but doesn't the ECU sense the boost pressure from the manifold anyway(ie MAP sensor)

Surely it cant have a set boost value incase of overboost.

Personally, ive used em on non ECU turbo cars (Metro Turbo) and think they are good for turning down the boost (as well as up )


Asad

[Al1exx]

Hello!

I used to have an RST Cabrio which came fitted with a bleed valve. I listened to all the comments of 'take it off!' and duly did so, chucking it in the nearest bin. Car never ran right again!

All I can assume was that the fuelling was altered to match the bleed valve and by chucking it away I threw the settings out.

I guess if the car is programmed to overfuel and the bleed valve is adjusted to compensate...

But still, why not just reprogram to fuel correctly with no bleed valve? I agree that bleed valves are easy to adjust quicky though and if you know what you are doing your laughing (unlike me, obviously )

Alex

[Paul R]

Sorry peeps thread turned crap as per usual
but Meo's reply:-
'sorry there is a manakin over there in the corner you can beat that with your purse if you want.'
Is a classic
Carry on chaps...

[festajon]

If a K&N induction kit increases lag then how come it has been tried and tested so many times in mags etc, to provide extra torque and more BHP? So u get to accelerate faster and have a higher top speed but more lag?

Oh and the Ford airbox must have taken years meu. Look at the quality plastic finish, the way they've ported the inlet duct painstakeinly to achieve the most precise amount of air to enter the mixture. That won't expand and contract with the heat under the bonnet and possibly warm the air goin to the filter. Then there's the filter itself. Look at that rubber surround and high tech filter material that's tighter than a gnats @rse that restricts the airflow to 1CuFt/year
I don't know meu. I hadn't read this post and now i just think are an even bigger c0ck than u were before. Fair enough peeps lady of the nightged u off in zetec tunin, but when you're first post in this topic calls someone a loser (who u don't even know and hasn't sl@gged u off before) just for having a widely regarded respectable mod in the world of tuning, that's just not right! I'd have thought u'd have learned from your other post. Are u on some sort of power trip comin on here and sl@ggin everyone off just cos u got a book about engines, and a dad who's mates with nigel mansel. You've been on the mech uni course a maximum of 3 years and any A-level knowledge ( ) accounts for 2 years of knowlege, so u know 5 years of stuff about engines! forget my dad taught me how to re-build an engine at 6 months old, etc cos that means jack to us and if u knew it at 12 or whatever why do it for A-level and uni if u already knew it? Stop boasting, get to the facts, you have an A-level in mechanics, design and engineering max. Big 'fuckin wow. Bruster did the same scholarship that u did (where only 90 people in the country are chosen due to ability) he came in the top 10 without tryin too hard (not saying it's a cr@p course just saying Bruster knows his stuff) and do u see him on here sl@ggin everyone off? It's just common courtesy mate.

You're main gripe about your zetec engine is why wouldn't anyone believe u. U and u'r boyfriend klownmaster are the only 2 people that have faith in what u do and seem like you're prepared to die for your engine. This however is a tried and tested way of boosting power and u lady of the night it off?WTF!! why don't u post an email to K&N and all the other induction kit manufactuers sayin what u said here and then post the reply on here? Just a thought.

I'm sorry i've gone off topic but time and time again meu never fails to amaze me. So a big FT.com 'f**k OFF goes out to u meu

Cheers
Jon

[UHF]

Well said, this forum is for people to share ideas so that we can all tune our cars better and learn from each others mistakes, this is a community of car enthusiasts at every level, the last thing we want in here are trouble makers!

Now just GO AWAY and play with your engine, you are NOT welcome!