Ka ST170 - 28/03/11 Engine Mount is in.

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Ka ST170 - 28/03/11 Engine Mount is in.

Postby ~nomad~ on Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:22 pm

With the other sleeper now complete and being developed further, mainly now by Brian, who is using it loads (I have only driven it a handful of times!) we got to talking about the future of that car and have decided to build another sleeper so we can have one each! This will be another build on a reasonable budget, albeit a slightly higher one than the fiesta! Brian is going to build the car with me, and pay for bits along the way, effectively buying me out of the fiesta and leaving us with a car each to develop and enjoy!

So, I have always wanted to do a Ka, a idea I had kinda forgotten until my wifes one got written off, meaning we had to buy another. Driving the one we bought home reminded me how well they handle, and how much fun they could be with a larger engine, brakes and chassis mods!

So my e30 323i was put up for sale and the money raised has gone towards this!

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last pic is with my wifes one.

We went to the local salvage place to look at a front ended Ka van, which was sold sadly, we asked if there were any others in and were pointed to this, its a proper base spec early car, ideal to improve upon. The only reason it was in salvage was its stolen recovered and had no keys. £300 later it was mine.

First thing was to try and sort the key situation out, this was done by removing the drivers door barrel and taking it to Clark (knuckles) at Ford to cut a suitable key, we were very lucky and the key works on all the locks and the ignition, meaning the car can be secured and moved around. Obviously this does not solve the PATS issue, but this will be dealt with as part of the running gear conversion.

So, the plans for the car:

Focus ST170 engine, hopefully running Jenveys, but this may have to wait depending on funds. I already have the engine in a car I am breaking.
Aftermarket management, more than likely megasquirt.
IB5 box, as standard on Ka, hopefully I will get a lsd fitted.
Fiesta ST Front Brakes.
15 inch steels to clear brakes and get some rubber on the road!
Buckets and prob stripped out rear.
B&M quickshift if possible.
Prob nitrous as Brian is obsessed and its rubbing off on me lol.

I am currently in a cast as I broke my wrist, so limited to parts gathering at the moment, but hope to crack on with getting the engine out asap, and dummying up the ST170 engine to see what is needed in the way of mounting it on engine side.
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:32 pm

went to the salvage place where we got the car today to raid a 56 plate one in the parts department. We removed the electric windows and central locking, and the nice black doorcards and rear cards. I may yet go for carbon cards in the back if the normal ones look weird without the rear bench fitted, but I have these just in case. We noticed the car had electric mirrors so ended up having those as well, so its on its way to being top of the range now! :lol: This happened cos I wanted remote central locking :lol:

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We also bought some tyres and Brian fitted them to the spare 15inch steels and bought them over today, sadly we didn't have time to fit them up to car today, hopefully next week.

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I also tryed a combo of badges :lol:

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I am abit undecided on the look of the car at the moment, I am tempted to fit colour coded bumpers and some alloys, as I do like cars to look nice and my wifes looks really good with the coded bumpers. But I also like sleepers. Anyone have a opinion on this?

I am hoping this car will make its debut at FITP next year.
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby knuckles on Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:07 pm

proper sleeper
grey bumpers
hub caps !
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby Ruishy1 on Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:09 pm

nice little buy there, i like sleeper Ka's myself, but im sure there is gonna be a whole host of different opinions.
i would strip it, lower it on steels and make it handle, go and stop.
no point in making it look good :bonkers:

i may need to get you guys to make me up a cheap NOS kit :D
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby leighk2010 on Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:12 pm

sounds like its going to be a very cool project i was tempted for ka sleeper but the g.f hates them so this is why i have gone for a mk5 zetec s will be keeping a close eyes on this :aviator:

sorry to hear about the wrist atm i'm surfing with carpel tunnel syndrome in my wrist and thumb so my right hand is useless to atm makes working on the zs no fun :x
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:35 pm

I had a feeling people would think sleeper was the best idea, we shall see. thoughts on the badge? i think it would only work on a smart lookin car
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby leighk2010 on Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:41 pm

badge dont look to bad, people mite think you stuck it on a s**t ka and then you will show them up :lol:
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:48 pm

lol, true, which is why i think its best on a nice looking one, there is a rear bumper on ebay for 25, might grab it, or hold out for racing ones
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby leighk2010 on Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:50 pm

all depends what ya want your car, im the same as ya self still like a car to look nice, and even if you did make it look nice not many people expect a ka to be fast so it would still be a sleeper, i my self love the street ka bumpers with the exhaust going though the reverse light in the bumper
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:52 pm

yeah i like that look to, although for the money i would try to hunt down racing ones i think. its a way off mattering anyway, will keep the eyes open!
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby Smo on Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:27 pm

Racing Ka bumpers in that dark grey bumper paint would look good :D
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby moondustka on Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:12 pm

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That is sweeet :)

I wonder whether I could put the Focus RS badge on mine...hmmmmmm

Also, let me know if you get rid of those black door cards dude. My brother needs a black drivers one, and they are electric window ones aren't they.

Can't wait for this, naturally :D
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby jimmyesh on Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:17 pm

Loving it! :Q Will be awesome to drive with a screaming ST170 lump on 'bodies :)
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby FiestaBen on Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:02 pm

I think you should go for colour coded bumpers, like said above, even fully colour coded, the last thing people are going to think is "f**k that's going to be fast"

Look forward to seeing this progress though :Q
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:29 pm

sadly the black bumpers are wider, so they are staying!
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:57 pm

just picked a sparco strut brace up off ebay, was just around the corner and was a tenner, obviously needs painting, but a bargain none the less, and i thought it was a rear, just bid to sell it on, was pleased it was a front!

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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby Ruishy1 on Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:36 pm

will it still fit with the 2.0 in there ?
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby Rhinopower on Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:12 pm

Yes with throttle bodies or a plastic inlet
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:58 pm

yup, will easily clear bodies
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby Excursion on Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:52 pm

Nice one mate. The cams are a massive limiting factor in the ST170 motor, they really suffocate the engine even with after-market management. If you've got the budget for something better then all good!
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby speedyxr2i on Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:25 pm

looks like a good project. good luck with it :)
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:48 pm

Excursion :Nice one mate. The cams are a massive limiting factor in the ST170 motor, they really suffocate the engine even with after-market management. If you've got the budget for something better then all good!


I think I will stick a engine in standard, maybe bar arp bolts, then build a higher spec one up, with a view to having it running ASAP. I believe that steves brother is using standard cams in mk1 thou? He has kept vvtc too
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby Excursion on Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:21 pm

~nomad~ :I think I will stick a engine in standard, maybe bar arp bolts, then build a higher spec one up, with a view to having it running ASAP. I believe that steves brother is using standard cams in mk1 thou? He has kept vvtc too


Pretty sure they hit a brick wall with the standard cams mate...
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:59 pm

really? its a tricky one, i dont know weather to keep vvct or not, and if i buy a set of cams for one or the other i might regret it!
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby rs220bhp on Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:17 pm

My mate has this engine fitted in his car with throttle bodies and omex managment

1st run was with out vvt connected it made 98hp

2nd after set up with the 45mm jenveys and the omex, vvt starts about 4-4.5k 170hp roughly

Then he had piper fast road cams fitted and it made 192hp with the vvt set to 4k

Thats with eagle rods a JE pistons rev limit is 8.5k

Its now away having ported and polished head and the biggest cat cams for vvt will be fitted. The spec should the produce about 240hp

What you going for. bodies or some standard injection?
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby jonyb4 on Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:55 am

looks to be a fun sleeper mate, i was always to beleieve the inlet was the trick of the secret to the 170's increased power over a normal 2.0l since it is heavily revised.

Was a 'bodied' escort RS2000 in FF dyno shootout bit and that engine also reaps most its benefits from the heavily worked inlet, it only made 152bhp, thats few over standard, will it be the same scenario with the 170??


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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:32 pm

Engine out tomorrow as long as Brian don't f**k me about. (like)
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby Excursion on Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:25 am

Make sure he doesn't cut any loom parts :lol:
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:18 pm

Excursion :Make sure he doesn't cut any loom parts :lol:


Meant engine out of the Ka mate, but didnt happen cos it pissed down all day. The Focus you are having loom from is untouched (not the one in below pics!)

Did manage to get the cars moved about on drive thou, so i could get audi and mini out to go to new homes, and ka in front of garage.

had to take one gate off and then play with a jack under it to get it thru the gap, had to move the focus about with a crane too as it wasnt rolling lol

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below is the 2 bays, bit of head scratching ahead i think!

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hopefully get the Ka engine out friday, but who knows lol. Also have a ib5 box with a lsd fitted on the way, hopefully it will fit, but not sure how different casings are between the ib5s tbh. If no good for this it can defo go in the blue fiesta so its all good!
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby leighk2010 on Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:25 pm

coming on nice mate if your stuck for the mounts
http://www.trackdesigns.co.uk/ford-ka-parts.htm
will be a nice project and that pic of the engine in the focus is peferct for me to look at mounting the black top into my zs shell cheers mate
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:40 pm

no worries mate, if you need anyother pics let me know.

If I can at all avoid it I wont be buying the trackdesigns kit as £250 seems a bit strong to me! I may have to get the alternator front mount kit thou :(
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby leighk2010 on Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:46 pm

cheers mate will let you no if i need any more :D

and 250 is very steep for the bracket but saves messing around but sure you could do something similar to what i'm doing with the mount in the zs
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby ~nomad~ on Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:47 pm

i bet it dont save £250 worth thou lol.
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Postby leighk2010 on Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:52 pm

haha thats true lol
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Re: New Project - Ka Sleeper

Postby Excursion on Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:06 am

~nomad~ :hopefully get the Ka engine out friday, but who knows lol. Also have a ib5 box with a lsd fitted on the way, hopefully it will fit, but not sure how different casings are between the ib5s tbh. If no good for this it can defo go in the blue fiesta so its all good!


It depends on the engine mate. If it was from a 1.3 (pushrod) or a 1.8D then the block bolts will line up with the exception of the sump, which is black top 1.8/2.0 specific.
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