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Keeping it Cool in traffic

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Keeping it Cool in traffic

Postby RS_BOB on Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:46 pm

Hi there rather new here and looking at buying an frst vert shortly. always wanted one just worried as it will be daily driver ( 10k miles a year) and im likely to be stuck in traffic most mornings

can standard system cope on engine with just exhaust and filter

looking to tune engine in the future and any advice on uprated cooling (rads, fans , intercoolers) wud be great


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Postby ~Tony~ on Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:52 pm

mine does fine, only prob i had was when fan switch died :D
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Postby RS_BOB on Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:55 pm

cheers fella hopefully going looking at a black rs this weekend and just making sure if i buy 1 it wont go pop on the m62, bloody nightmare in a morn to get to work, eventually im looking to get twin fans and uprated rad and intercoolers.
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Postby jamas on Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:48 pm

MATE A GOOD CHOICE WOULD BE TO GET HOLD OF SOM BONNET LIFTERS THEY SELL THEM ON EBAY ABOUT 15 QUID MY MATE SAYS THEY A REALLY GOOD.
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Postby rsmcelroy on Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:04 pm

Why dont you put a manual switch for a fan in the centre console, when you are sat in traffic flick the switch and the fans will come straight on. Only bad thing is that they will not come on automatically
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Postby AdrianFRST on Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:15 pm

rsmcelroy :Why dont you put a manual switch for a fan in the centre console, when you are sat in traffic flick the switch and the fans will come straight on. Only bad thing is that they will not come on automatically


DO NOT DO THIS!

If you forget to keep an eye on the temp, or someone else is driving the car and doesn't know about it you're gonna end up with a cooked engine...

Run wiring with a switch between the two wires on the fan switch. You can then override it but it won't prevent it automatically kicking in.
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Postby JamieFRST on Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:01 pm

AdrianFRST :
rsmcelroy :Why dont you put a manual switch for a fan in the centre console, when you are sat in traffic flick the switch and the fans will come straight on. Only bad thing is that they will not come on automatically


DO NOT DO THIS!

If you forget to keep an eye on the temp, or someone else is driving the car and doesn't know about it you're gonna end up with a cooked engine...

Run wiring with a switch between the two wires on the fan switch. You can then override it but it won't prevent it automatically kicking in.




Mine has this done, how hard is it too reverse?
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Postby FedeArg on Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:20 pm

A standard engine doesen't have to overheat at tickover. With an upgraded engine it's a different matter (Exhaust and Intake won't make it run hotter).
If a car (no matter a Fiat or a Maybach) being standard overheats during traffic then it has a problem. Maybe the thermostat, the waterpump, the reservoir cap, then fan or the fan switch are not working propperly. Maybe the rad is blocked. There are several things that might be making the engine overheat. The first thing I would do is a complete check of the cooling circuit. Put some radiator cleaner, trash the car for a few minutes and leave it ticking over for another minutes and then replace the cooling liquid for fresh anti freeze/coolant and complete it with distilled water.

Of course if you are driving at a high speed on the highway and you stop for any reason you will see that the temp rises for a minute or two since the engine is still releasing a lot of heat and the cooling circuit is runing slower and the rad doesen't get as much air as it has been receiving when the cars was in movement, but then the temp must return to a normal range (85ºC - 95ºC). Runing at lower temperatures will only help your engine to wear faster.
If you upgrade the engine remember that a puller fan is more effective than a pusher fan (but the turbo on fistas is at the front and doesen't help at all).

Good luck if you purchase a RS (not even one came to this side of the world :x :x :x :x )
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Postby FezzR on Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:46 am

FedeArg :A standard engine doesen't have to overheat at tickover. With an upgraded engine it's a different matter (Exhaust and Intake won't make it run hotter).
If a car (no matter a Fiat or a Maybach) being standard overheats during traffic then it has a problem. Maybe the thermostat, the waterpump, the reservoir cap, then fan or the fan switch are not working propperly. Maybe the rad is blocked. There are several things that might be making the engine overheat. The first thing I would do is a complete check of the cooling circuit. Put some radiator cleaner, trash the car for a few minutes and leave it ticking over for another minutes and then replace the cooling liquid for fresh anti freeze/coolant and complete it with distilled water.

Of course if you are driving at a high speed on the highway and you stop for any reason you will see that the temp rises for a minute or two since the engine is still releasing a lot of heat and the cooling circuit is runing slower and the rad doesen't get as much air as it has been receiving when the cars was in movement, but then the temp must return to a normal range (85ºC - 95ºC). Runing at lower temperatures will only help your engine to wear faster.
If you upgrade the engine remember that a puller fan is more effective than a pusher fan (but the turbo on fistas is at the front and doesen't help at all).

Good luck if you purchase a RS (not even one came to this side of the world :x :x :x :x )


thats the best reply in this thread, if it over heats theres a problem, so fix the cause
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Postby RS_BOB on Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:05 pm

cheers for answers ppl helped me alot, rs idea gone now unfortunatly. looking for mk3 with zetec engine to last me a while with a little help zetec turbo build will happen slowly :D

even now with no car stuck in florida ford racing gauges are ordered :D
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Postby Jur on Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:30 pm

AdrianFRST :
rsmcelroy :Why dont you put a manual switch for a fan in the centre console, when you are sat in traffic flick the switch and the fans will come straight on. Only bad thing is that they will not come on automatically


DO NOT DO THIS!

If you forget to keep an eye on the temp, or someone else is driving the car and doesn't know about it you're gonna end up with a cooked engine...

Run wiring with a switch between the two wires on the fan switch. You can then override it but it won't prevent it automatically kicking in.


IF you do this.. do it properly ..

Create it so it is an override JUST for the Temperatur controlled switch (in the thermostat housing) whilst leaving the function of the temperature controled switch unharmed..

to put it in 'technical' terms.. have the switch (or relay) work parallel to the temperature controlled switch. In that case:
- If the manual switch is turned on .. the fan works .. as long as the ignition key is in position 2. The temperature controled switch is overridden.
- If the manual switch is turned off.. the fan only works when the temperature controled switch is actived by +88C temps .

so i don't see the problem is you do it like that .. but ... be sensable.. use a relay .. why .. well the circuit is a high amp circuit.. and you don't want to lengthen those wires into the car.. and back .. if a relay is used .. the high amps circuit stay's under the bonnet whilst the low amp circuit controls the relay. ..
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