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Postby GavStyli on Thu May 04, 2006 10:20 am

the rubbers on mine never last! :oops:
not interested in adjusting camber etc
just want them to last longer and be more solid!
anyone done or know what can be done??
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Postby John_D on Thu May 04, 2006 10:43 am

have you bought genuine fordy 1's?
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Postby GavStyli on Thu May 04, 2006 10:46 am

yes always ;)
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Postby FezzR on Thu May 04, 2006 10:52 am

do you still use the car on the road much?

rose jointed would be good, but not if your using it daily ase they wear with all the crap of the road apparently

you only really have 3 choices afaik

standard - Cr@p as you say

polly bushed - last time i heard seems to be as much if not more of an issue with these than the gearbox mounts!

rose jointed - as i explained above
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Postby GavStyli on Thu May 04, 2006 10:54 am

hi ian, yes used daily so forget the rose jointed ones then :oops:
so whats the pros and cons of the polly bushed??
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Postby FezzR on Thu May 04, 2006 1:16 pm

GavStyli :hi ian, yes used daily so forget the rose jointed ones then :oops:
so whats the pros and cons of the polly bushed??

in theory they are a stronger more durable rubber

in practice they are usually floored and split, wrong compound, poor design, ive brought some for mine about 18ths ago (second hand but not used) and when they turned up i refused to fit them as they were utter bollox, forget which make though
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Postby Raymondo on Thu May 04, 2006 7:13 pm

Get powerflex poly bushes. Never had any problems with mine.
Might be an idea to get them fitted proffesionally, as i whacked them in with a sledgehammer and it was hard work (also i think i could have broken something as a little o-ring popped out :lol: )
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Postby GavStyli on Fri May 05, 2006 12:39 am

so can i just take the current arms off and get powerflex poly bushes on them? :-? can you just order a set of pushes for the lower arms only?
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Postby FezzR on Fri May 05, 2006 1:12 pm

you need to order bottom arm front and rear bushes (total of £50 for both sides) then you take your old arms off, get the old bushes pressed out and the new ones pushed in.

i would recommend finding a few people already using them and get reviews first though
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Postby neil2802 on Fri May 05, 2006 3:12 pm

Don't get the Deflex bushes they are crap, get the Powerflex bushes, they cost more but are worth the extra money :wink:
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Postby CRF on Sat May 06, 2006 6:51 pm

This guy is selling an unused set for the whole car, normally around £200 + p&p new.....

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/about129872.html
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Postby GavStyli on Sat May 06, 2006 7:52 pm

CRF :This guy is selling an unused set for the whole car, normally around £200 + p&p new.....

http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/about129872.html


thanks geeza but only want the ones for the lower arms, how many on each arm ?? anyone got any pics of these in place?
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Postby CRF on Sat May 06, 2006 8:40 pm

2 per arm, one at the front, one at the back

This is what the 4 bushes look like out of the arm (Ford items)

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Powerflex rear bushes.......

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Powerflex front arm bushes.......

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Never heard a bad word said about Powerflex bushes, only heard horror stories with the Deflex ones.
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Postby GavStyli on Sat May 06, 2006 9:29 pm

thanks alot matt :D
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Postby FezzR on Sat May 06, 2006 9:29 pm

yea the ones pictured are alot better than the ones i brought :x
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Postby Fezzy Turbo on Sat May 06, 2006 9:32 pm

Good topic!

I was going to use the rose jointed stuff, but decided against it for a road car. Got to admit i was tempted by the Deflex complete wishbones for £179 per pair ..... but i guess thats a big NO for using them then ?
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Postby FezzR on Sat May 06, 2006 9:41 pm

funny you should mention the deflex arms, i noticed them this morning on theyre sight, they do have aspects of good design (manufactures have quite radically redesigned arms in the past few years) with the solid design as apposed to the old pressed steal spot welded together, obviously in an attempt to improve handling as the sacrafise for weight.

if it was a company other than deflex then i would say they are well worth a try, but you can only judge them on past performance until they are independanly tested. so i would stay clear untill then sadly.

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Postby FezzR on Sat May 06, 2006 9:51 pm

just to add... i was searching to find a pic of the mondern style arms when low and behold a link to mr Excursions topic linked up on google, Mark's using "Sport Ka arms which are cast for strength".

Although they are not of the design i was thinking they look like they could be a good midway point between old and new, and "if" they are a straight fit (which is possible) and most likely have better designed bushes, could well be onto a winner.
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Postby 285Andy on Sat May 06, 2006 11:11 pm

my old mk1 escort had rose jointed front suspension. felt superb on the road but i must admit to dodging the pot holes! fook that :o absolutly no give at all. not funny :o
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Postby FezzR on Sun May 07, 2006 8:26 am

285Andy :my old mk1 escort had rose jointed front suspension. felt superb on the road but i must admit to dodging the pot holes! fook that :o absolutly no give at all. not funny :o

what sort of wear rate were you getting in the winter with road salt and crap?
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Postby 285Andy on Sun May 07, 2006 6:12 pm

didnt used to use it in winter myself. although this car has had them on for aound 3 years and the new owner hasnt changed them so im assuming he's had no problem with them??
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Postby BUTRE on Tue May 09, 2006 10:41 pm

I haven't yet got to the lower arms issue, but I know my std ones are not up to the job (even now with the car still on axle stands :lol: )

The only this that I need to sort the handling is camber and caster. Camber is easly done but caster... I would need somewhere near 3 positive caster. Any ideas (besides zoo motorsport lower arms)?

Regarding the bushes: the best compromise is the powerflex ones.
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Postby TIL13R on Wed May 10, 2006 8:00 pm

I have just brought the deflex lower arms they look really good! will let you know what they like when car is on road!

can get pics if wonted!

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Postby Jur on Thu May 11, 2006 11:38 am

I myself have the deflex lower arm bushes:

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And they work well on my car (not a daily driver) .. they tend to squick a bit.. but that's all. feel is excelent.. But the installment is a H E L L of a job.. ... and you have to lign them up perfectly...

The rose jointed have to be greased every 7k miles or so .. but heard good stories about them ..

Last year on FITP pumaspeed had some full rubber ones bushes, in stead of the standard bushes (which aren't full rubber) these need to be pressed in the standard arm..
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Postby paradox on Thu May 11, 2006 4:04 pm

I have the full deflex kit fitted to my fiesta and its been great with no problems for the year i had them fitted before i started the full rebuild.
I have heard a lot of people complain about them though.

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Postby BUTRE on Fri May 12, 2006 5:19 am

When talking about this I think its best to everyone quote their bhp. Std lower arms (when new) are fine for std FRST bhp, but once you hike the boost... hell breaks loose and the car just torque steers.

Anyone with a 200bhp FRST on powerflex or deflex lower arms bushes?
And are they to coupe with 200bhp when drag racing?
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Postby TIL13R on Sat May 20, 2006 9:36 pm

Here are the complete deflex lower arms

£179.99

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Postby Max M4X WW on Mon May 22, 2006 10:23 pm

Mine are on the way out, similar situ as Gav. Gonna get powerflex i think!
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Postby BUTRE on Tue May 23, 2006 12:23 am

TIL13R, are they camber adjustable?

Is there any info from deflex about castor?
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Postby GavStyli on Tue May 23, 2006 7:29 pm

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Postby BUTRE on Tue May 23, 2006 11:17 pm

GavStyli :decisions decisions ImageImageImage


I'm not sleeping at night because of this :lol:
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Postby twistedtomo on Wed May 24, 2006 9:18 am

I had these made up cost me £120 in total and theyre fully adjustable :D
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Postby TIL13R on Wed May 24, 2006 11:00 am

BUTRE :TIL13R, are they camber adjustable?

Is there any info from deflex about castor?


No they arnt adj im affraid

http://www.defelx.com click on the new products bit

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