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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura.

Postby trecoll on Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:55 am

jonyb4 :danny, you been round combe? its wide as hell


Have you driven S'Stone? Combe is nothing compared to it for width!
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura.

Postby jonyb4 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:10 am

:lol: i know i left a wurmhoel then, nah not sunday will be my first, only ever been on combe (x2 sessions)

cant wait either going to be such a special day




mike, i think your attertude towards you CAR, is the topic of conversation, the argument your giving in return just makes it worse

fact is your letting yourself get defeated by a pair of wishbones, best get used to it, if you only ever buy pattern lower arms, your going to be changine them more or less every 12 months/12k miles (although ive had my QH ones on for around 17months now so going well)

i see where you've gone wrong, i even told you in a text, youve focused on fitting this enigne to get more power, to blend in with the rest of the forum, and to have more fun compared to a 1.1, and trying to get it done before FF, and failed, so your having a hissy fit about it, then struggled to sort the lower arms now neglecting to drive it at all



have you taken the lower arms back to get your money back, or to swap for the right parts?

(most motor factors order new stock in once you buy something, so are not to pleased when you ask for a refund, but are more than willing to give you store credit)


dunno why im wasting my time, you probs aint even bothered
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura.

Postby FiestaBen on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:36 am

jonyb4 :dunno why im wasting my time, you probs aint even bothered


Jon mate, youve got to stop making us agree with you, it's morally wrong :lol: :lol: but then again, if it was the being accepted, the sticker bombing sorted that one out haha

I agree though, and you can all shoot me down for this but, I was also going to question how you were going to get it all declared in such a short amount of time before you drive it 400 miles with an engine you're not even used too. Especially as you got rid of your zs because of the costs, but now you can run a modified 1800 fez?

I think you've lost a lot of respect on this forum, and oddly Jon has got it back (sorry Jon :P ) because people just want to help and see you do right and the best way possible but you just throw it all back like a child.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura.

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:07 am

I'm not goin to be a wank3r!

I will apologise though, the past 3 weeks have been trying and I literally exhausted myself over certain events...

Jony;
No I've not been back again to the place because they've got it wrong twice, I don't think I'll be going back to them again - gonna go eurocarparts when I get paid and replace them.
Thanks though.


Ben;
I got rid of my zs when I worked at McDonald's. I have a better job now and could afford one easily, that's why I decided to do an engine conversion because I could afford silly insurance over it!
One of the reasons I've been up and down about it is because I didn't want to be one of those bellends that does an engine then drive it about practically uninsured! It won't be going in until I've found a decent quote and sent off to the Ebla.


Thanks for all you're advice lads. But like I said I've been on a hormonal roller coaster recently and it's hopefully sorted now.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:25 am

the car wont be going any just yet. it's staying with me until i get paid, then getting finished - enjoying it for a month or so and then going to get rid :rolleyes:

started on the engine and thanks to ben and his ADVICE (which i took on board) i realised that dropping it in was a s**t idea...

the head just under the cam shafts is a little scored, the rocker cover bolts were too loose so i think someones had a go at rebuilding it and done it badly, looks like a bit of oil starvation where the oil pray jets are... like its been put together wonr g and the holes arent lined up right, will get pictures tonight when i go back down to it...
also, one of the belt pulleys was completely shatered but was hidden by the cover (see pics below) the water pump was obviously leaking :rolleyes: and the gasket non existent.


so it will be haing a complete overhaul, getting an engine stand tonight (hopefully) and going to get the head off properly to see what state its in, doesnt look like the headgaskets gone, but will be replacing it... and its turns over freely so no bent valves :D

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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby EUFez on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:32 pm

Until this is in Fast Ford I won't be commenting or even looking at this thread again. Good bye!
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:40 pm

why?

you told me to stop being stupid and crack on - thats what ive done
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Excursion on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:44 pm

I wouldn't use that engine- I've never seen such dark varnish on a Zetec before! There must be better ones out there than that? That thing will cost you more in the long run.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:45 pm

its not been cleaned yet and still has some oil in it? or is it genuinely s**t?
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby FiestaBen on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:03 pm

Mike, well done for cracking on with it, best thing you can do!! Personally, before buying anymore parts, I'd strip the engine down and see how good it is, or whether it's been left in the hands of the wrong people and ruined!!

Rocker cover bolts aren't to bad, there are worse things that could be left loose. If the engine turns ok, and the valves aren't bent then the oil starvation sounds like it could just be there's not enough getting round instead of complete failure which would have ruined the engine.

Get the sump and oil pump off and have a look and see what condition the oil pick up pipe is in, if that's full of s**t, that could contribute to the above

Get some pics up!

Another bit of advice though, avoid using flat tools to leaver things apart! Last thing you wanna do is damage the block in anyway by chewing it up etc.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:21 pm

The rest is getting striped tonight - wont be buying anything for ages yet anyway.

When we top the rocker cover off we knew something was up - gonna have a look at the pistons etc tonight :cry:


Bad luck with this s**t!
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby jonyb4 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:01 pm

if the cam cover was loose, and being run, oil would leak out, crank pressure would be low and it would either stall constantly, or run dreadful, so depending on how loose the cover was, id say the worst that would happen is the head would have oil starvation, again worst i see is worn down cams and tappets, both easily replaced


if you can, get a compression test on it, see if the valve seats, and the rings are holding theyre seal :wink:

its the bottom end you now should inspect, get the head off it (not sure hwo you can say the HG is nonexsistant if the head is still on :rolleyes: )

checkt he piston crowns, check the combustion chambers, valves and the seats, also turn it over check the sump, mainly for bits of metal so dont just tip the oil straight out, also then check the crank for scores (of theres plenty of debris in the oil) leave the pistons in, rotate the engine and check the cylinder bores, any heat spots or scores... bin it


if the above is good, stick with it, zetecs are reliable, take a fair bit of abuse
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Excursion on Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:17 pm

I guess this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-FOR ... 4606a62d28 is out of budget? I think you'd be heading towards that figure if you were to try and rebuild what you have. May advice would be to find another engine, or rebuild yours to be good. If you cut corners on the rebuild then the car will let you down unfortunately.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:54 pm

I meant the head gaskets fine "hasn't gone" :) the water pump gasket was non existent!

Head will be coming of in about an hour so I'll update with pictures straight away!

Looks like I might have to be after a new engine though but I dunno yet - forbidding feeling!

Might end up with a gti engine - my cams and management!?
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:56 pm

Excursion :I guess this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-FOR ... 4606a62d28 is out of budget? I think you'd be heading towards that figure if you were to try and rebuild what you have. May advice would be to find another engine, or rebuild yours to be good. If you cut corners on the rebuild then the car will let you down unfortunately.



Not out of budget no, if this onE can be saved with a little bit of tlc I'll be doing that
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Tweek on Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:03 pm

Looking at the state of that engine and your lack of patience, I wouldn't spend a penny on that engine. Get another one :wink:
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Ratspeed on Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:10 pm

Just rebuild it so you know its a goodun. My RS1800 engine was sat outside in the snow and rain with no plugs in for a year. The bores were so rusted and a gallon of water came out the sump before the oil did. After a rebuild and hone out it went like a new engine and stil going strong.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:49 pm

Ratspeed :Just rebuild it so you know its a goodun. My RS1800 engine was sat outside in the snow and rain with no plugs in for a year. The bores were so rusted and a gallon of water came out the sump before the oil did. After a rebuild and hone out it went like a new engine and stil going strong.



This has been sat about in the elements I think... Should be okay with a little money spent
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby MK2 Jamie on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:06 pm

Once the zetec is in you should just sell it and buy a MK2.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby jonyb4 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:33 pm

a mk2?! jesus he thinks this mk3 is too old :rolleyes:
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Tweek on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:41 pm

A Kia Picanto would be most suitable.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby hb69 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:21 pm

You didnt have money for a cambelt a few weeks ago, now your rebuilding engines and being able to afford zs's. Did you get a promotion?
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:39 pm

Didn't have money because I hadn't been paid. Have been able to afford a zs and insurance for a few months now.

I don't understand what that even has to do with my car?
I'm not rebuilding the engine over the next few days am I? I'll be doing it over the next month.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby jonyb4 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:05 pm

you bring repsonses like that on yourself

you over react and include things in updates you dont need to, or perhaps shouldnt
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:25 pm

All I said was that I could afford one if I wanted
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby fezza89 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:59 pm

After having a quick read through ,ive decided you should buy a push bike!

Nice project though.
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby jonyb4 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:11 pm

fezza89 :After having a quick read through ,ive decided you should buy a push bike!

Nice project though.



Best comment I've heard in a while
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Postby hb69 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:30 pm

Michael Hopkins, why were you not in attendence today?
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:26 pm

The steering problem has got worse and it's in no fit state to go on a long motorway run.
Its not the bottom arms, it's going into a garage on Tuesday to see what's up.


I am gutted I missed it though
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby HCS PIMP on Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:43 pm

You are going to fit an engine and cant diagnose a steering problem.
Jack the car up and support the car, try holding the wheel at 12 and if theres play here it will likely be either the top mount, ball joint or wheel bearing.
If at 3 and 9 theres play its likely the ball joint, track rod or rack end.
also helps if someone moves it where there excess play whilst you look.
Problem found by the part and get it tracked afterwards
probs 40% of the customers who come to my work with a steering issue its Tyres or tracking problems
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby jonyb4 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:07 am

:rolleyes:

steering problems with knackered wishbones...

thats like saying the man died when i shot him in the head :aviator:


honestly what you expect
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Postby EUFez on Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:16 am

Mike, just get on with it. Don't update us with pointless stuff. Get the job done, then update us. Otherwise your gonna dig yourself a bigger hole with us lot...
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Re: Mike's RS1800 Azura. The Engine...

Postby Michael! on Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:53 am

That wasn't an update, Henry asked why I wasn't at ford fair.

Andddd that's what it's going into a garage for, tracking and the wheels balancing.
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Postby dontpannic on Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:17 am

Michael! :That wasn't an update, Henry asked why I wasn't at ford fair.

Andddd that's what it's going into a garage for, tracking and the wheels balancing.


Personally, I would do the lower arms first before tracking. It will only have to be done again when you put new arms on.


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Postby Michael! on Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:47 am

Theyre doing it at the same time!

Then I won't get pulled into a corner when I turn.
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