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[jonyb4]

cant wait

filled the coolant up mind its more or less its less than 25% anti freeze , but once the system is heated up and the thermo opens up the level should go down

sorted the pas pipe leak but alot of it was wasted on the floor etc so need another bottle of it

ive started to make the exhaust, ive cut the cat off the 1.3 downpipe, its near as makes no difference the same diameter as the si exhuast and downpipe (its larger than the rest of the 1.3 exhaust)

fitted the crank case breather on an extention



and heres the difficult to clamp pipe, wish id done it when it was out of the car, but my dad helped and its now sorted

[Excursion]

Re-route those breathers to under the car, mate. You don't really want oily fumes being emitted around the upper engine area, you'll smell them in the cabin.

[lucasdemoley]

^^^ As above has said.

I did mine exacly the same as yours but it was smelly, also abit of oil does make its way through over time, which will make a huge mess of your engine bay if you mount it where it is now.

[jonyb4]

lol cheers, but i bigger stuff to worry abotu than some smelly fumes right now

just happy with it having some backpressure for now

[jonyb4]

the bloody PAS pipe is still leaking ill see if i can do it up tighter

yesterday popped to the breakers to get another clutch pipe clip as i thought id lost mine, then after moving some stuff today i found my original lol, not to worry didnt cost me anything


fitted


and insulated my self made fog light loom


then today
went back to the breakers as i foudn a 1.8 ECU there yesterday off a L reg 1.8 escort ghia £20


along with a mk3 steering wheel lock, some induction pipes from various cars and a new batter terminal


also some fluids


also i identified the fuel pump relay by feeling for it clicking when turning the ignition on


fitted everything and tapped into the relay, not sure on if it was the correct pin

anyway it turned the ignition key and the engine turned over, but theres not much power left in battery, was no spark, after swapping the fuel pipes over to se eif it was the right way around i found no pressure so swapped it backhappy it was right in the first place.

when i stop turning it over,t heres a ticking noise for about 10seconds im guessing the fuel pump relay as theres no fuel injector relay

even witht he battery mostly flat, should i still get a spark?

theres compression there as the cranking slows at tdc, and theres slight deep pop noise as the valves open from the exhaust

anyone got any idea's? it coul just be the lack of battery power, but im not sure

[MB7201]

The pin on the relay should be the smaller top on in that.

If it works it should click when you turn the igntion on it and then click again a few seconds later.

Do you know if that ecu had internal edis and pats? If the pump relay clicks as above you know it hasn't got pats.

The issue with the ecu is the pins have been moved again so it won't run straight away.

[jonyb4]

dont get what you saying on the last bit

ive done the tick test, thats the right relay, and ive tapped into the 12v pin

its from a L reg escort that didnt have pats, and yes internal edis

ive had it turning over, only with the 1.3 ecu connected also, so andy was right i will need to run both

[MB7201]

It will only turn over with the ecu because it disables the starter relay, but the ecu you were going to use could have handled that.

With the last bit, you can't just plug any ecu into the loom and expect it to work becuase the internal structure of the ecu changes. If you wanted an ecu without pats that works without modification, you should have got an early 1.8 mondeo ecu.

[jonyb4]

well then, no one told me that

ive tried it with the old 1.8 ecu, and still nothing, turns over but no spark or fuel

as far as i can see ive wired it up as you have said

so im starting to think the other 2 relay method will work, but need some more dosh for the wiring and connectors

[MB7201]

The old ecu won't wonrk if you havn't sorted out the pats.

If you've wired it up as said then thats all you need to do. Check to see the ecu gets the power it needs.

Ignition off:
Take the ecu off and test that you get 12v on pin 1.

Ignition on:
Test you get 12v on pin 37,
Test you get 12v on the coil pack middle pin and one of the lambda connector pins.

If you get that you know the power lines to the fuses are connected properly so that isn't an issue.

On the relay test that you've connected it to the correct side. Take out the pump relay and turn the ignition on. You need to check you have connected the ecu to the small connector that is not 12v. (Ignore what side I said in the 2 posts ago, i remembered I didn't need to put it on the right side).

Also you need to cut the original line to the original ecu rather than tap onto it or it will interfere.


Once you've checked that you'll neeed to see about swapping some pins about if you want to use this ecu. The reason it won't start is the injector and coil wires have been moved about - hence no spark and no fuel.

[jonyb4]

filling the gear box up


following that test above, every one of them had 12v (showing lambda)


the 12v pin on the relay

[Rhinopower]

Then you need to check the continuity of the earths, Pins 16, 20, 40, 60 I believe.

[jonyb4]

aye i get you, but ive been told the ecu i have aint suitable with the Si loom, pns would need to be swapped, ill be taking it back and try to find a 1.8 mondeo mk1 ecu, BLOB one is called

thanks though

[Rhinopower]

Or try a 2 litre ecu either deep desk or dewy and matching maf, thats what i used on my 1.8, although i did also use 2 litre throttle body and cams, but you can add those at a later date.

[jonyb4]

hmm, did it use much more fuel?

[Rhinopower]

Passed mot no problem, fuel economy wasn't too bad for what it was.

[jonyb4]

lol ive already bid on a 1.8 from a mondeo, BLOB

ha locve that code name

well it will do for now, untill im ready to 130spec it

[FezzyGTI]

aint blob from the automatic? DESK DEWY DEEP DALE are all the 2.0 1s that i kno work with the si loom. not sure on 1.8 ecu's tho

[Smo]

As you've now been told, the 2FCD ECU you were trying to use uses external EDIS so would never have worked without wiring in an EDIS module.

The BLOB one should work fine, and should ideally be the right map for your engine - just make sure you use the right MAF sensor. All Mondeo ones (roughly 93 to 98, possibly later?) and later Escort ones should be the same, and should work fine with it.

Actually, I've just looked in one of your photos above, and the one I can see on your cam cover looks the right size to be the right one for the BLOB ECU anyway

[jonyb4]

just make sure you use the right MAF sensor. All Mondeo ones (roughly 93 to 98, possibly later?) and later Escort ones should be the same, and should work fine with it.

aye i have a 80mm diameter (air filter side) maf from a 97 escort

also i got a spare one from the chap who sold me the si loom, im guessing its a 2.0l one as the 4 digit codes are different, yet its the same diameter

thanks for that smo, more ammunition when i take the ecu back tomorrow, he told me it was pre pats AND internal edis

the case was wet when i removed it, but he opened it up and nothing was wet so it should still work, i was gonna use that as an excuse but no need now


even though they play a big role, im still clueless to what an EDIS module actually does

can anyone enlighten me please?

[jonyb4]

another issue thats playing on my mind is that i havent fitted the front mount

its very akward possition as the top of the mount (engine) is in line with my chassis leg, in a mk3 the leg is a fair bit lower down so the engine mount is nice and flush, i went to offer it up and it was about 2-3 inches higher then where its meant to bolt

will my 3 exsisting mounts be upto the task (rear zetec engine mount, mouting plate is MIG welded to my suspension turret, standard mk4 gearbox upper mount, and the lower gearbox "torque stabiliser" mount

or should i seek ways to either make a spacer to fit original front mount as it is

or make a mount somehow?

Thanks

[jonyb4]

well as i started, bays in a righht mess lol with the loom ripped apart


started by getting under the car and fitting a bracket on the driveshaft, was a random bracket from the old gearbox i think
all i know is it works, will need to tilt your head to right


while under i got the 1.3 exhaust off , the size difference is laughable, i wanna see the difference between a bigger bore performance system to the 1.3


then sicne the intake pipe and air filter were too small, i had to soak them in boiling water and stretch them on to the maf the filter looks huge


fitted it


love this picture



also got the passengers side brakes off, ready to drill the hub, and i also started scribing out the discs on some 3mm sheet for the spacers

[MB7201]

Looks like you've got all the hard bits sorted out now

[jonyb4]

yep i hope so, drilling the hub is probably the most effort on one task left now, although the exhaust is gonna need welding together so i guess not lol

[FezzyGTI]

Good work mate makin nice progress. Got me hooked on this build. My mate is gettin a mk4 soon. So what made ya go for the Zetec engine over the puma engine that usually get's put in mk4 and 5's?

[jonyb4]

lol, basicly, i just dont like the zetec se engines, theyre weak, over done (1.7 into fiesta) and theyre not very good for later tuning, with the silver top zetec you can see into the 400bhp (not saying id go that far) ive never seen a 1.7 with more than 155bhp

and ive always had a thing for zetecs since i owned a Si, love them

i would have put a CVH in lol but its not really ideal, ill leave them to the mk3s lol

[jonyb4]

ok little bit of an update, seems liek this build is starting to drone on now

while iw as working on my car, my dad was giving the mk3's arches a going over with paint, i know it aint a perfect match, but its a difficult colour to get hold of, and looks better than rust...


will be putting the sale thread up tomorrow and its going on ebay, need to take decent pictures

meanwhile i was filling up the gearbox with 75W 90 semi synthetic transmission oil, 2.8 litres of it, costing me next to £18 quid if knew id be needing that much in the first place id have bought the 5l tub for £20

Thanks to Dereksjoint for sellignme the aftermarket ECU, will get round to fitting it when it arrives with his instructions its got a duel circuit cut off so can disable two direct componants to prevent starting, likely the coil back and fuel pump

how mines looking atm


fitted the cold air feed



and my new spacers have come back, fair does to grayam, hes done a top job



out with the paint brush, will be doing the calipers tomorrow
gloss black, doesnt it remind you of a certain band?


also repainted my suspension struts, as the silver wasnt the best looking once it was dirty

[dontpannic]

lol, basicly, i just dont like the zetec se engines, theyre weak, over done (1.7 into fiesta) and theyre not very good for later tuning, with the silver top zetec you can see into the 400bhp (not saying id go that far) ive never seen a 1.7 with more than 155bhp

and ive always had a thing for zetecs since i owned a Si, love them

i would have put a CVH in lol but its not really ideal, ill leave them to the mk3s lol

I still don't agree with this - the Zetec SE's are newer, more economical, much, much easier to install into a Fiesta, and to be honest I haven't seen that many 1.7's, there must be 4 or 5 on the whole of the ZSOC.

BHP doesn't matter if you have torque, and shifty_babe's MK4 (1.7 on throttle bodies) was an awesome machine.

Oh, and the Zetec SE's being weaker is a HUGE myth, firstly there was a myth that the 1.6 Phase 1 engine was weak but it simply isn't true. I've seen Phase 1 engines still going strong at 200k+, as long as the engines are treated well then its fine.

Having said all that I can't wait to see this finished, but its definitely going to be 1.6 or 1.7 for me, just plug and play

[jonyb4]

I still don't agree with this

no offence but i dont really care lol, how i feel about the sibmas wont be changed, and ill be damned before i choose to run a project on a car with one of them engines in

your experiances with them not being weak sure are different to mine, the 1.25 and 1.4, as theyre nippy, they attrtact alot of harsh driving,a nd when the majority of ppl tend not to service theyre cars regually, these engines really suffer, as the bottom end beariogns are cast into the rods they cannot be replaced (shims) a new con rod must be fitted, and im only aware that ford can do this, and it aint cheap, when the bottom eng knocking as the engine warms up appears, its basicly a sign of the end of the engines life, and commonly writes off the car, (mk4 mainly, due to age)

the heads are very weak compared so say a Zetec E, a weak alloy was used to make them

mind all this said im speaking mainly of the ealier ones found in the mk4 and 5 fiesta, earlier focus and puma

the 1.7 ive heard is stronger than the 1.25/1.4 either [ERRR] the 1.7 was a new engine or because they were designed for speed


couple thsi with the fact the engine is eery expensive to tune, the 1.7 is harder to tune than the 1.6 likely because of the Vct, and lol these engines have pathetic torque compared to zetec e's
almost all the engines have less torque thant hey do horsepower, where as the zetecs only the RS1800 has more bhp than torque to my knowledge and thats down to the higher profile cams

needless to say you can argue the pros can cons all day, i wont change my opinion on them lol, i think the real zetecs are far ebtter engines, ive always prefered them and me being someone who likes to be diferent wanted one in my car, so i did

[jonyb4]

oh and ive been told shifty_babes fez has 138bhp and is struggling to find any more power in it, also its being broken so its no longer lol

fact of the matter is (you should know this by the amount of zetecs being tuned on this site) is that the zetec E can be taken so much futher than the sigma, and its more reliable

[dontpannic]

At the end of the day we both have our different opinions.
Thats all there is to say about it. At the end of the day any engine will last forever as long as its looked after

IF you were just going to put an engine into your MK4/MK5 and not care about tuning it afterwards (which is me, for reasons given below lol) I struggle to see why you'd pick an ancient, heavy Zetec E engine over the Yamaha lumps, essentially ditching PATS too.

Escort 1.8i - 113bhp 160 Nm
Puma 1.7 123bhp 157 Nm
FR Puma 1.7 154bhp 162 Nm

But as I say thats just me who wants to bolt in an engine and not worry about reliability with hard tuning. Obviously if I wasn't using the car every day I'd love to stick a 2.0 Zetec Turbo in there but I don't have the expertise, or time to do it.

But lets not let it get in between us. Get it finished!!

[FezzyGTI]

All very interesting. Suppose it really depends what ya lookin for in 2 project eg easy quick upgrade use the puma engine or somethin a bit more challengin and rewarding for less cash the Zetec transplant

[jonyb4]

to put it simple mate yes that sums it up perfectly fezza

IF you were just going to put an engine into your MK4/MK5 and not care about tuning it afterwards (which is me, for reasons given below lol) I struggle to see why you'd pick an ancient, heavy Zetec E engine over the Yamaha lumps, essentially ditching PATS too.

but i know you said IF, although ive never said thats what i want, i want a good base to work with at a later date, hence whyt he zetec is perfect, ic an make this 130spec when im happy, and use it untill i want more power, then out with thw 1.8 and in with the 2.0l and tune that accordingly, or i may change my mind and do something else with another car maybe

oh and the zetecs are far cheaper too, this has cost me around £300, a 1.7 would have cost around £500, a frs around £2500 lol

oh and the engine ive got a a 105 i presume, its out of a LX estate

[dontpannic]

All very interesting. Suppose it really depends what ya lookin for in 2 project eg easy quick upgrade use the puma engine or somethin a bit more challengin and rewarding for less cash the Zetec transplant

Spot on!

For me, at the moment, I'm not wanting to sacrifice reliability and everyday driveability, a 1.7 engine gives an adequate upgrade on the 1.25 and is still as driveable as standard. Once you start upping compression ratios etc etc the engine becomes less reliable, more "jumpy" and not as good to drive on the daily commute.

oh and the zetecs are far cheaper too

Because they are much older, much heavier, and have many more miles than the newer, lighter, Yamaha lumps

[Minstral]

I still don't agree with this - the Zetec SE's are newer, more economical, much, much easier to install into a Fiesta, and to be honest I haven't seen that many 1.7's, there must be 4 or 5 on the whole of the ZSOC.

i know of 3 in my area all mk4's

plus bhp wise, i expect it to have all the rs1800/2l parts on it eventually pushing up to 130bhp

be different to see a silvertop in a mk4, easiest isn't always the best option.