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[dontpannic]

Its a 1.8 as the zetecs that drop in to MK4's aren't real engines...

Oh, and you sort of gave it away here:
1-8-zetec-vt181834/

[mrorange2]

looks good is that a stright fit or do you have to do some modding of mounts?

[jonyb4]

if it's been sat like that, I wouldn't touch it

thats cause your an idiot

and its a zetec, they never come in 1.7's

your mistaking it for a zetec se, which if you use your eyes, you will see the exhaust is on the front...

[jonyb4]

Oh, and you sort of gave it away here:
1-8-zetec-vt181834/

hehe yea woops, i just dont understand whats changes the bhp figures between escort and mondeo 1.8's

umm yea it will fit in like it would a mk3.5 but custom mounting points are required, i plan to cut away at the old mk4's mounts and fit the zetec one from a si
i think ill need to swap the hydrualic clutch system to a mk3 mechanical one

it comes with everything you seen in the pic, ancillaries like the alternator and starter motor etc, even the escort running gear and subframe

got it all for £110 plug £30 for postage

[Tweek]

No idea, i'd say 1.7 as a random guess but either way, if it's been sat like that, I wouldn't touch it

Nothing wrong with an engine being sat like that

[jonyb4]

what i was thinking, its half resting on its sump and other half on the subframe, on some grass, and its probs had a tarpolan over it, hes also sellign a sohc golf 1.8, haha they only have 90ps, eat your heart out xD

[~nomad~]

thats gonna be a mare to fit... why didnt you go for 2ltr? if you are going to the agro of zetec into a mk4 you may as well go for the biggest size!

[jonyb4]

lol i know its gonna be a mission lol, but for the 2.0l thing, its just done too often, 2.0l si here and there

one of the reasons im actualy using a zetec over the mk4's proven 1.7 se conversion is because its just gettign done too often, i wanna be different, that and ive seen it be done, a mk4 which looked completely stock to me, was in the scrappies near me and had a 1.8 in it, dickhead didnt even upgrade the brakes silly solid 240mm ones

so i know they can be fitted

so me and my little welder gonna have to do some work, i think one of the gearbox mounts ont he escort box is similar to that of a mk4 fez, and after all theyre both R reg, even have the same milage 73k its so meant to be lol

[dontpannic]

The reason it's done often is cause it's so easy! It's certainly the engine conversion I'm thinking of.

[FiestaBen]

How much does your insurance go up with the new engine then?

[MB7201]

You're going to have to be good at wiring aswell especially with the imobiliser to sort out. Most of the loom and fuse boxes will need pulling apart.

[RS rob]

i wonder who can guess the size?

looks like it was from an escort as a guess?
judging by the top mounts and gearbox mounts?

good luck with it mate,

if you find out the engine code could let you know more about the engine,
which car it came from, what power it was from factory etc

[FiestaBen]

i wonder who can guess the size?

looks like it was from an escort as a guess?

The biggest clue could only have been this:

it comes with everything you seen in the pic, ancillaries like the alternator and starter motor etc, even the escort running gear and subframe

[jonboisescort]

looking good mate glad to see its getting a new lump

shouldnt require to much work to make it fit (if your handy with a welder)

why dont you use a zetec s or mk4 5 diesel gearbox surely keeping the hydraulics is easier than converting to a cable clutch

use the gearbox thats in it now nice short ratios

keep up the great work

[RS rob]

i wonder who can guess the size?

looks like it was from an escort as a guess?

The biggest clue could only have been this:

it comes with everything you seen in the pic, ancillaries like the alternator and starter motor etc, even the escort running gear and subframe

looking through the post from the start, i saw the pic and commented on that only,

the shape of the top mounts are a clue and the castings on the gearbox

[jonyb4]

cheers rob, when it arrives ill jot it down for ya mate, will be a good help, not that i can see the inlet manifold in this pic, from what ive read the non xr2i/rs1800 cast inlet will have 105ps spec, ones with the plastic black inlet that goes down the back are 115 spec

and yea its from an R reg escort

and haha yea ben

anyone know what size brake discs this escort would have had? im guessing 18.8 so it would have had 260mm, if so i think i best get bigger

and cheers jon, what would the bolt patterns be like on these other boxes? dont really know too much about using spacing plates, lol every time i click submit some one else posts im gonna be here ages at this rate lol

lol rob dones it too haha

[RS rob]

No idea, i'd say 1.7 as a random guess but either way, if it's been sat like that, I wouldn't touch it

showing your own knowledge here mate ,
never seen a zetec-e lump that looks like a zetec sigma lump

[RS rob]

cheers rob, when it arrives ill jot it down for ya mate, will be a good help, not that i can see the inlet manifold in this pic, from what ive read the non xr2i/rs1800 cast inlet will have 105ps spec, ones with the plastic black inlet that goes down the back are 115 spec

and yea its from an R reg escort

and haha yea ben

anyone know what size brake discs this escort would have had? im guessing 18.8 so it would have had 260mm, if so i think i best get bigger

and cheers jon, what would the bolt patterns be like on these other boxes? dont really know too much about using spacing plates, lol every time i click submit some one else posts im gonna be here ages at this rate lol

lol rob dones it too haha

basically any ib5 or bc box will fit, so you've got quite a choice of gearbox's really
only difference being the bc box has the starter at the front
and the ib5 has the starter at the back of the engine

on the back of the cast inlet's it will say
SO - small output - HO - high output not sure if theres one for inbetweem
i've got a pic somewhere showing the difference on the inlet ports between HO and SO on the sandwhich plate

[jonyb4]

looking good mate glad to see its getting a new lump

shouldnt require to much work to make it fit (if your handy with a welder)

why dont you use a zetec s or mk4 5 diesel gearbox surely keeping the hydraulics is easier than converting to a cable clutch

use the gearbox thats in it now nice short ratios

keep up the great work

well i have a small gasless mig, shoudl be enough for low gauge metals and should keep a hold on the chassis leg, but just incase ill do my best to bolt the mounts frames to the leg also

and a good point in using the mk4 box is that the mounts will already be there, i was very concerned aobut the mount ont he back of the box, on a mk4/5 theres like a arm that can raise and lower as the engine flexes in its mounts, i dont rmeember one of these on my old 3.5 i should get under the mk3 in the garage and see for more of the differences, but using a mk4 box would save all of this

showing your own knowledge here mate ,
never seen a zetec-e lump that looks like a zetec sigma lump

haha i thought that

basically any ib5 or bc box will fit, so you've got quite a choice of gearbox's really
only difference being the bc box has the starter at the front
and the ib5 has the starter at the back of the engine

on the back of the cast inlet's it will say
SO - small output - HO - high output not sure if theres one for inbetweem
i've got a pic somewhere showing the difference on the inlet ports between HO and SO on the sandwhich plate

cheers for that ill have a look, and get that engine number for you too

where could i get or how would i make a plate to make the box and block bolt together happily?

cheers everyone for the support and advice, its why i love the forums o much, you know your in good company everyone helps out with advice and parts

[jonyb4]

You're going to have to be good at wiring aswell especially with the imobiliser to sort out. Most of the loom and fuse boxes will need pulling apart.

and with this, hopefully what ever fez si i get the loom out of, i will also get the key code sensor thing, (sorry not sure on its name) and then a trip to fords to get it to match the ecu, a mates just had it done, said it cost £25

[FiestaBen]

No idea, i'd say 1.7 as a random guess but either way, if it's been sat like that, I wouldn't touch it

showing your own knowledge here mate ,
never seen a zetec-e lump that looks like a zetec sigma lump

Never said I was showing my knowledge, I was just purely pointing out the answer to your question, the answer you missed, showing your knowledge?

Anyway! that comment wasn't meant to start a war, so lets ignore them!

[jonyb4]

no lol, it was showing your lack of knowledge on what the question was about, purely since you looked at the pic, guessed that it was an engine that looks nothing like the one in the pic, the sigma has an intel on the front, and an exhaust in the back this clearly has a murky brown coloured manifold pointing down away fromt he car, so its an exhaust

and then you topped it off saying its not good to leave it on its arse like that, which isnt any problem, if it were id have a right bollocking by now lolol

[FiestaBen]

no lol, it was showing your lack of knowledge on what the question was about, purely since you looked at the pic, guessed that it was an engine that looks nothing like the one in the pic, the sigma has an intel on the front, and an exhaust in the back this clearly has a murky brown coloured manifold pointing down away fromt he car, so its an exhaust

and then you topped it off saying its not good to leave it on its arse like that, which isnt any problem, if it were id have a right bollocking by now lolol

Actually it was you who mentioned the ass bit, my original comment was I wouldn't touch an engine that had been left like that, meaning left in a garden! so what if it's had a cover over it, it's still been left where the damp will hit it with no real protection!

EDIT:

Actually if we read back:

ts half resting on its sump and other half on the subframe, on some grass, and its probs had a tarpolan over it

Nowt wrong with leaving an engine sat like that, I personally, never said there was but the real comment was that you don't even know for sure it's been covered up, you're assuming it has!

if it's been sat like that, I wouldn't touch it

thats cause your an idiot

How am I an idiot? You said guess... I guessed... I also said I wouldn't touch it, oh sorry for the personal opinion but I wouldn't. Clearly there was a need for the idiot comment.

[MB7201]

If its from an r reg it will definately be a 115, but that depend which manifold you use.

I'd use your original gearbox aswell as it is hydraulic and I think the escort one is cable?

The wiring isn't that simple. The mk4 ecu is inside tied into all the other electonics so you would have to do a major chop of that and then get the right feeds for the new loom. By imobiliser issue I meant removing the mk4 one, as the ecu controls the car not starting etc so you would have to look at how its tied into the rest of the loom. On the si the imobiliser is external and is embedded in the internal loom. A mk6 escort ecu would be easier with just the wires to the code reader controlling it

[jonyb4]

ben enough of this

If its from an r reg it will definately be a 115, but that depend which manifold you use.

I'd use your original gearbox aswell as it is hydraulic and I think the escort one is cable?

The wiring isn't that simple. The mk4 ecu is inside tied into all the other electonics so you would have to do a major chop of that and then get the right feeds for the new loom. By imobiliser issue I meant removing the mk4 one, as the ecu controls the car not starting etc so you would have to look at how its tied into the rest of the loom. On the si the imobiliser is external and is embedded in the internal loom. A mk6 escort ecu would be easier with just the wires to the code reader controlling it

f**k me mate that was a mouthful, being you, what direction woudl you take mate?

and in that pic i can see a cable lever arm, so i think its safe to say it is cable yea

good news on the 115 part, which manifold would hamper this? the lo one?

[RS rob]

just had a thought,
the best box using your existing mounts would be a FRP box
which is basically 1.6 zetec-s gears with a 1.7 puma final drive

[jonyb4]

aye thats a very good thought mate, doubt i could afford one of them though seing the racing pumas are so rare and expensive parts

seen an inlet of one the otherday on ebay going for 999quid!

[MB7201]

I'd just leave it, gearbox will be ok. The lo cast one will take it back down to 105. Best bet is to get an escort plastic one, thats if the engine doesn't come with one.

[jonyb4]

which gearbox will be ok? my 1.3 one? lol f**k it will accelerate with that on

aye its nice to know its so easy to swap between the bhp figures, i was made aware that the plastic unit was too big for the fiestas bay, due to the brake linkage bar in the way

[- Danny Boy -]

Look good Jon! Keep the 1.3 box in there, saves pissing around with gearbox mounts then, will be rapid too, top end should also be fairly decent too in all honesty! Hope it all goes well

[jonyb4]

hehe cheers mate, im not sure about the 1.3 one, im worried it wont be strong enough for the extra (almost double the power) if i maike the engine 130spec it will be more than double lol, doubt its upto it

mind saying that, why woudl the diesel box be any stronger, theyre both evenly matched

and just to think, i almost kept the rebuild box off my old 1.4 GRR

[Minstral]

just because the puma lump is the easiest dont mean its the best
good to be different, dont think ive seen the escort zetec in a mk4. check out this months fast ford for a different mk4, st duratec engine in a mk4 on throttle bodies

[jonyb4]

ha yea its adamb off here and ukfn, stunning car

and yea nick did you hear that, not nessesaraly the best

[dontpannic]

ha yea its adamb off here and ukfn, stunning car

and yea nick did you hear that, not nessesaraly the best

I never said it was the best... I said it was the most popular and easiest.

[- Danny Boy -]

hehe cheers mate, im not sure about the 1.3 one, im worried it wont be strong enough for the extra (almost double the power) if i maike the engine 130spec it will be more than double lol, doubt its upto it

mind saying that, why woudl the diesel box be any stronger, theyre both evenly matched

and just to think, i almost kept the rebuild box off my old 1.4 GRR

Should be alright, most boxes are the same, just uprated bearings if anything. People put 1.1 boxes on 2 litres, so why would a 1.3 box be any harm on a 1.8? Thats the way i see it