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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby HCS PIMP on Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:37 pm

I love the fact you cant time a zetec ahahaha on a plus point spent hour reading your thread today to learn one thing you ended up with a fiesta si loom which im using anywho lol
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby Ratspeed on Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:09 pm

HCS PIMP :I love the fact you cant time a zetec ahahaha


Why be a dick about it? There was probably a point where you couldn't time one up. At least Jonys sensible enough to get a profesional to look at it so he doesn't fck it :rolleyes:
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby jonyb4 on Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:39 pm

thanks for that, nice to recieve cockyness :oops:

im not laughing at you with your plans and cocky atterude to do the conversion you plan to do :rolleyes:


thanks Matt

but yea, much rather get it done right than me f**k it up

there will be plenty of other cars to practice on in the time to come
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby Pumatt on Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:58 am

:P Them cambelts of ours were difficult! mine was a gunk covered mess and couldnt see anything or fit my hand down the gap to undo stuff and jonnys was the same.... cause the custom mount. I think in both the car, we might have had to remove the front end.
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby jonyb4 on Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:45 pm

yea matts sigma had a load of difficult covers that we couldnt for the life of us remove, took two of us to get the cam cover off

and mine had less room between the belt/pullies and chassis then matts, combine that with not knowing mucha botu timing its best left to the pro's for only a bit of cash, i know what id prefere


the 1.8 is up the garage atm had to use the 1.3 to tow it up lol, odd sight fiesta pulling a fiesta :P
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby FezzyGTI on Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:26 pm

lol jus the other day i had to tow my escort wi a fiesta, fell so small when a st passed me lol
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby jonyb4 on Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:31 pm

:lol:
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby Pumatt on Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:48 pm

Mines going to the garage next week mate :) popping down saturday to book it in. £60 is a bargain. Might get the wheels sprayed week after depending on cash and if there aint any more problems :)
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby jonyb4 on Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:05 pm

yea terry is good, can be cheap, his sons welding costs a bit though, thats why i do it myself now lol


keep that oil level topped up... these engines suffer bad when they drop in oil level lol
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby Ratspeed on Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:17 pm

jonyb4 :nice to recieve cockyness


Really? i have heard you love it :lol:
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby jonyb4 on Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:25 pm

:lol:

only you matt, only you 8)
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby Pumatt on Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:40 pm

:lol: I think it comes with the name.... id agree with him haha :wink:
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby Pumatt on Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:41 pm

jonyb4 :yea terry is good, can be cheap, his sons welding costs a bit though, thats why i do it myself now lol


keep that oil level topped up... these engines suffer bad when they drop in oil level lol



I do keep it topped up.... its so much better than the 1.4 on petrol... and oil haha :P
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby jonyb4 on Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:30 pm

lol yea
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby HCS PIMP on Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:42 pm

i wasn't trying to be a nob just suprised me since you can convert to a 1.8 that you couldnt time then engine
Ive done a zetec belts a few times so i know it can be a pain to get it tight but thats how i learnt just redoing the belt time and again
does help with you have the woodruff locking keys and some tip ex always helps to mark TDC and make marks on the pullies, crank and cam gears so you know you've got it 'conquering device' on

sorry if ive pissed you off
been writing a list of what i need to do on mine for the convo only dark areas are the extra wires for the fuel pump ect and whether i can get a blacktop water pump to work with the alt as its a catridge type unlike the silver top zetec but im not to worried
also im going to get manifolds off a 1.8 escort you want me to grab you a ho inlet manifold or did you get one with ur engine
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby jonyb4 on Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:20 am

how do you mean grab me one?

but no i didnt have one, mines a 1.6 one
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby HCS PIMP on Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:35 am

i get one from the scrappy and then u send me the cash wont be expensive cause im getting alot from them in 3 weeks :D
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby jonyb4 on Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:46 am

aye yes please that be good, let me know :)
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Re: My fiesta, red mk4 Zetec 16v

Postby HCS PIMP on Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:14 am

will do mate when i get my student loan and get all the bits ill pull off the manifold for ya
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby jonyb4 on Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:23 pm

ok small update

Turns out that belt slipping has done damage

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new timing belt fitted and timed up, its running like a bag of nails, missing and big loss of power, its likely a valves been damaged, chipped or even bent, but it still runs and drives

somethings not quite adding up in my mind with it as it was running fine before i took it to the garage

anyway ive sourced a new head that ill be removing from the escort in a breakers in the morning, instead of just buying how ever many valves i need, its just easier and less time consuming to just replace the head, its exchanging it from the downpipe/cat i bought 2 weeks ago that had no cat in it lol, so costing me £30 in a sence
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im trying to get hold of a compression tester to be positive before i remove the head from mine,

in the mean time i need a car for work as im starting in a forthnight, so instead of risking it, ive now decided not to sell the mk3, wernet 100% happy with doing that int he first place, so this is somewhat making me happy lol

but now im gonna be driving it a bit, i cant leave it standard any longer lol, ive got my eyes on some Xr2i wheels for it and ill get some new speakers and rear speakers wired in soon as its current setup is poo, maybe swap my cd player into it for a bit, and if im doing that sub also :bonkers:
might even find a spoiler and some fogs on the front, all in respect of it being a handy runaround
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ill try and find the right paint for it and sort out its s**t paint work best i can, anything i can make of it will be better :rolleyes:

so just gonna take my time and fix it up in spare time, im happy with whats waiting for me once its done, so no particular hurry, anticipate the moment to come and just get the job done right , some reason the mechanic didnt replace the tentioner and other pully, main reasons its damaged now, so ill do that, new water pump and headgasket and bolts

also ill get the front bumper sprayed up by a body shop and that back on before its back on the road
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby HCS PIMP on Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:38 pm

gutted thats seriously crap news sorry mate
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby jonyb4 on Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:13 pm

ahhh set backs


im honestly not too bothered lol, im just glad its not an engine replacement lol, its couple hours work and it will be right as reign

it will be off the road roughly a month, tax runs out tomorrow, and ive already swapped the insurance onto the mk3, so its cgoing back int he garage in the morning

and ill SORN it and tax once done, saves me about £12 off taxing :P
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby jonyb4 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:56 am

well im VERY confused, i decided to go out and determind which cylinder was down, so i took one plug lead out at a time and run it in between till i found the one that didnt make it run any worse, poor thing was on using 2 cylinders for three occasions :cry:

it was cylinder 4, i took a picture as the spark was jumping to the cam cover, and looks pretty nice

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as you can see in the video, i put the plug lead back on, started it up, and everything is fine, it runs perfect as ever!

i drove it round the village twice and it run fine, mind the second the intake pipe wiggled loose and air flooded the cylinders and made it missfire, i s**t myself thinking it was buggered again lol, it aint bolted on atm as i figured id be stripping it in the week

im so confused, did the mechanic put the lead on dodgy? or was there something happening in the cylinder when i left not sparking?


ill be doing a compression test on it tomorrow, see the truth, if its giving a reading of around 150psi + ill know its sealing and i got no worries,
my grampa is insisting we still go get the head none the less

anyone know the manufactures readins for a healthy sealing cylinder in psi? or sall i just use oil?
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby welshtony on Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:58 am

I was gutted for you when you text me other day.

Glad you getting it sorted and sorced what cylinder it was.
Hope its not to much work for ya. would offer a hand but bit far plus never know when working.

I hope the test goes well
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby MB7201 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:50 am

If its running fine now it going to be something like the lead not on properly. If there are bent valves it will read very low, i.e. close to zero, and it won't be intermittent.

How old are the leads? Thats what I would be trying first.
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby HCS PIMP on Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:04 pm

just sounds like the leads are fudged get em replaced
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby jonyb4 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:51 pm

far as i can tell the leads are fine, been driving all day fine, when moneys coming in next month ill try for some ford racing leads or maybe megnecor ones, i just think he didnt put the lead back on properly, maybe it missed the plug and didnt connect up

i did try to do the test, but the lead i was given wasnt the right length for the deepness of the zetecs head, but i took it back up to the mechanic to let him know its running fine, he says well it sounds fine, was probs just a little mishap so not to worry to much about it

im gonna be keeping an eye on that belt from now on though lol


anyway today, my gramps insisted on us still getting the head, for a spare

went from this, to stripped in around 2hours work, it rained, snowed hailed and then was sunny when we finished :oops: mother nature tested us!
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to this
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and had a shed load of parts, cylinder head, 16 valves, shims and tappets, cams all bolts, S1 cam cover, inlet manifold and injector plate, exhaust manifold, the thermostat and housing, cam belt cover, spark plugs and crossover pipe reading '1.8 litre 105 injection' to replace my 1.6 one :Q
which is nice for £30 really

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i also come home with the 2i wheels for the mk3 :aviator:
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and how it is now
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all for now, just crying out for a new speedo cable and new throttle cable, im hioping an Si one will fit it, i need one to be longer and fit the mk3 throttle body, im sure the Se ones dont
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby Ratspeed on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:01 pm

At leadt its running fine now buddy!
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby welshtony on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:09 pm

Glad its running fine now Jony :D

And OMFG you had the bargine of the centry there :o :lol:
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby jonyb4 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:10 pm

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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby Pumatt on Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:59 pm

Didnt help the car was in a puddle either when we removed it and had a hole in my shoe! Il finish polishing up that new rocker cover next time im down and see weather we should paint it or chrome it up...
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby Stemh on Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:21 pm

bet thats a bit of a relief not having to take the head off yours! got a nice few spares for the future for a bargain too by the look of it! :o

looks good mate!
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby jonyb4 on Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:07 am

ooh boy am i relieved lol, i was threatening like mad the day they told me a valve is damaged, i was certain nothing was damaged when i took it to the garage, and when they give it back to you damaged you question everything dont you really

im just glad i wont that arguement, lest the head be coming off about now :aaah:


cant wait to get them new alloys ont he mk3 now, will sprouce it up a bit



Pumatt :Didnt help the car was in a puddle either when we removed it and had a hole in my shoe! Il finish polishing up that new rocker cover next time im down and see weather we should paint it or chrome it up...


lol no snow and rain - cold jonys and matts :bonkers: kept hurting my hands on his racket taking them cam bolts out lol

but all in a good days work, we both know how to get one of these heads off now, should deffo be useful in the future, ill pop down to see you at work tomorrow :Q lucky baxtered

and yea thanks for the work on the cover, looks good already, and after some fine polishing will be great :)
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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby jonyb4 on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:31 pm

More bad lucks come mine and the fez's way

i hit a 5" deep pot hole yesterday down a side street, it was pouring down and it was filled with water so it was easy to concieve it as a small puddle

after i got out to check for any wheel damage, i found none and drove on, then a knocking noise started as i was driving, after again pulling over, jacking the car up and having a mate turn the wheel and rock the engine etc etc, i still found nothing

after further inspection today i foudn no fault sunder the car, or behind the wheels, opened the bonnet and checked the engine mounts, the front one that was a bit of a make shift has cracked its stitch welds and come clean off,was rubbing with engine movement on the chassis leg

so ive been up to visit the chap who fabricated it for me, and decided a better revised mount is needed, this is going to be a flat piece that extends over the chassis leg, and will have to legs coming verticly down the sides of the chassis leg, these will then be fitted wit two long studs through the leg to secure it, no more welding, and thicker 6mm plate is going to be used

will get the bumper and inner arch cowling off for it to be fitted tomorrow

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Re: My fiesta, mk4 Zetec 16v Xr2i power in a mk4

Postby dontpannic on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:42 pm

Aah what a s**t. Were you aiming for the puddle?

Thats exactly how my TSW alloy went - went over a puddle which turned out to be a hole 5-6 inches deep! :o
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