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[Excursion]

Whats the gearbox out of mate? I have a few zetec starters i can send you one if you cover the postage, Help get things moving again.

its a hddi box out of a mk5 fiesta so dont think the zetec ones would fit, im looking for more info on how to run the slivertop sump on the blacktop engine and if this will make the engine any worse as jony says the sump is what gives the blacktop engine some of its strength

Don't do it. Use the nice sump

[leighk2010]

cheers mark, this is ruffly how much iv got to cut away will this make the sump much weaker?

[jonyb4]

its the webbing and internal structer that makes them stronger

removing that much shouldnt be too dire

[D9LSY]

removing tha section is fine mate

as the guys have said, its the windage tray that gives the blacktop sump its strength, but to be honest ive ran my st170 engine all last year with teh silvertop sump with no surge issues

[leighk2010]

Update...

well today been up to mums garage and removed the sump ready for me to modify. So that i can use a front mount starter which saves me having to source yet another gearbox and will allow me to keep the hddi box i have.

after many hours of head scratching managed to get the sump off. With it been a two piece sump and much better design over the slivertop one piece sump. Reason it took me so long to remove as i was trying to take it all off in one go, but you have to split the two halves first as the oil pick up pipes stops you from removing it as one piece.

here is pics of the section i have got to remove to allow the starter to fit and bolt to the box




will be fun to remove tomorrow with the good old angel grander..

Also after a accident with the engine crane i ended up with a big lump on the head and...



One smashed headlight could of been worse but i took the bigger impact from the crane

enjoy!

[jonyb4]

haha did it hurt?

nasty abotu the lights though but liek you said coulda been a lot worse!


that sump cutting looks straight forward enough, dont use a cutting disc though, too tempremental

use a hack saw, you can avoid damaging it then

[leighk2010]

yes it did hurt! still hurts now them cranes are heavy lol!

and i would like to use a hack saw but will take to long, would use my dermal but that's packed in also so down to the grander take my time should be ok

[jonyb4]

saw would cut through aluminim like butter mate

[leighk2010]

so did the angle grinder just harder to get in the hard to reach places! but here we go..

Half way thought modding the sump!


and finished got to test fit it later today then will be brought back home cleaned up and then painted

[jonyb4]

good job

[leighk2010]

well been and trail fitted sump and need a tiny touch more off a bit i thought would be no problems then its done ! only down side is now depending on how the tddi starter motor is im going to have to have my manifold modified to clear it but no biggy i guess

few more pics:




as you can see the manifold needs about a inch adding so the starter can sit nice and perfect.

next job quickly grind down the bit that it still stopping the starter sitting flat then paint it sliver so nice and new again!

[jonyb4]

if i were you id buy a mk3 fiesta zetec downpipe/four branch

as long as it goes through the sump tunnel it will clear the starter fine

[leighk2010]

if i were you id buy a mk3 fiesta zetec downpipe/four branch

as long as it goes through the sump tunnel it will clear the starter fine

to much hassle the st170 is a very good standard manifold and same as a 4 branch so it needs a tiny bit adding to it will probs cost max £20 at powerflow then will clear the starter fine

[leighk2010]

well the sump has been cut back some more and should now be trimmed as much as it needs, so started to put some paint on it to cover the fresh metal

[jonyb4]

looks a bit messy for a oem job, but you cant really tell it was altered

[leighk2010]

cheers ain't to fuessed bout how it looks as will not be seen when all back toghter. If i was going to spend the time doing it would grind down so its all back to the to the sump. But as i will be going mtx75 box at some point this is just a temp measure to use the front starter on the tddi box

[jonyb4]

whats next on the agenda then mate?

[leighk2010]

whats next on the agenda then mate?

to finish making my engine mount and paying to have the bits of metal i need welding in. How much did you pay for the bloke to come and weld in yours out of interest

[jonyb4]

nothing actually

he sees me as bit of a student as he does it professionally, ive just popped up to him to help and learn about him making gates etc now and thena nd he offered to help me with it

thank god too my little gasless mig wouldnt have lasted the weight of the engine


what you need welded? gearbox mount?

[leighk18]

i need to get some 12mm plate welded to the chasis leg to help strengthen the area were i am adding the engine mount, and also gives me some nice metal to drill and tap into so i can bolt the engine mount down.

*** S**t just realised i have two accounts lol***

[jonyb4]

wtf

[leighk18]

Haha, went to sign in and thought this was my user account for this forum and turns out i have 2. lol

[leighk2010]

There is still a long list of stuff whats needs to be done to the car but hoping to try and start getting it done a bit quicker this year. Things still to do..

• Fit fuel tank and lines
• Have engine mount brackets welded in
• Source flywheel and buy clutch
• Do head gasket on engine cams back in timed up etc
• Find new non abs master cylinder
• Drive shafts back in
• Block the two holes off on steering rack to convert to manual rack
• Source better brakes then the 260 setup i have
• Focus radiator and pipe work for engine cooling
• New brake lines
• Source air filter and fuel filter

once all of this is done the car should be up and running and hopefully working!

need a money tree

[jonyb4]

i dont think you can do that steering rack thing

ever tried turning the wheels with no enging running?

[leighk2010]

ya it aint that hard, reason its feel's hard is your pushing the pump and all the fluid as well as the rack

[leighk2010]

• Fit fuel tank and lines
• Have engine mount brackets welded in
• Source flywheel and buy clutch (fly wheel now soured)
• Do head gasket on engine cams back in timed up etc
• Find new non abs master cylinder
• Drive shafts back in
• Block the two holes off on steering rack to convert to manual rack
• Source better brakes or use the 260 setup i have
• Focus radiator and pipe work for engine cooling
• New brake lines
• Source air filter and fuel filter

[Excursion]

ya it aint that hard, reason its feel's hard is your pushing the pump and all the fluid as well as the rack

No, it's because the rack is 2.4 turns, lock-to-lock. It feels just like a quick rack should without assistance.

[jonyb4]

im worried how that would be, why not just fit a non pas rack?

[leighk2010]

non pas rack is more lock to lock

[leighk2010]

Sorry guys and girls all work on this will have to stop atm as work has been cut down to 3 and half days and when you only do half 8 till 3 any way dont help. Mite even have to sell just to help my self out thanks for all who followed

[leighk2010]

wel before work stops or not here are the last few updates

after taking a little more of the sump the starter now fits better but need about a inch adding in the manifold to clear it but this will be no problem




next up is all the stuff lying around which i dont need at all and is taking up space




then next up have come up with the finale desgin on how im going to mount the engine into the bay

here is a cut down focus/cougar mount


i then plan on having these bits of metal welded to the leg like so..


which then will allow me to drill and tap and bolt the bracket down as it would in a focus


then last but not least making a L shaped bracket out of 3-6mm steel and having this welded to the wing area with a nut on the bottom to allow this to be bolt down also


And finally head is off to check engine as i have not done this since picking it up all moves nice and free, and here is the head all safe and sound which i will treat to new valve seals etc why its off



and also my rocker cover which just need some lacquer

[Excursion]

You did a fantastic job of the rocker cover - anyone can stick a load of stickers on something, but the ones you used all complenet each other really well!

[leighk2010]

You did a fantastic job of the rocker cover - anyone can stick a load of stickers on something, but the ones you used all complenet each other really well!

ermm haha

on the manifold frontmate were do you think best section would be to have lengthend to clear the starer?

[jonyb4]

haha cooool how did you manage that on the rocker cover looks brill

dont give up on her mate you have come too far

[leighk2010]

its a sticker bomb book from Amazon have to do them all ya self but i really like the look going to be droped off tomoz to be lacquerd by a mate so they wont peel with the heat.

and i no just money is tight and getting ride would allow me to pay at least some debt back, but got job interview tomoz starting on 9.71 with loads of over time so fingers crossd