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by **Kat** on Fri Jul 06, 2001 9:25 am

I have the 1.8 16v, and it came as standard with the 60mm throttle body. Got the chance of having the bottom end of a mondeo engine as I believe the top part is the same. I want my car to be around 200 bhp can a 2.0l zetec be tuned to 200 bhp?? Or shall I save for a turbo conversion of some kind??? The only problem being that my boyfrind hates turbo's
:sad:

Help please!!!! Advice welcomed!

by **Shug** on Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:10 am

I would like to see the answer to this one as i have an RS1800 and would like more power. I can also get access to a 2l zetek bottom end, or do i just get a turbo conversion for the thing and cumit a crime by doing this to an RS.

You can tune a 2l fa better than thge 1.8, there are more things on the market for the 2l.

What bhp are you putting out just now and what mods have you done to it.

by **timb551** on Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:20 am

Why does your bf hate turbos :???:

by **Kat** on Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:30 am

My cars 130bhp now, with the mondeo bottom end it'll be 150bhp, once cammed up etc... hopefully about 200bhp (I'm hoping!)
The boyfriend doesn't trust turbo's, [ERRR] when they go wrong, they cost hundreds. I know that I can avoid this problem if I pay the money for a proper conversion, but thats £3000 I haven't got. :sad:

by JJ on Fri Jul 06, 2001 12:33 pm

Okay, fitting a Mondeo 2.0L bottom end, using a gas-flowed head and hotter cams, plus a custom map should see you get around 150-170bhp. I know of a couple of 200bhp 2.0L normally aspirated engines, but they all run throttle bodies and a complete new engine management system, which costs a couple of grand. The benefits are no lag, potentially more reliability (over a turbo) and a wicked induction roar!

A turbo conversion need not cost £3000! Get an ERST S2 exhaust manifold, a T3, modified downpipe, plus a few other mods, and you're there! There is no reason that a well-looked after turbo engine is any less reliable that a heavily tuned non-turbo engine. Plus, you can get heaps more power from an 1800 or 2000 16V turbo....some people have seen 250+ bhp at the -wheels- :eek:

from a 2.1 16V T3 setup in a FRST!!!

:devil:

by **Kat** on Fri Jul 06, 2001 12:38 pm

Oh i'm a girl... you tell me what I need to get to turbo my 1.8 or 2.0 and i'll do it.... if its under a grand i'll do it for sure!!! Tomorrow in fact!!!

Please I really need some help.

by **The Bruster** on Fri Jul 06, 2001 7:33 pm

he hates turbos???? WHAT???? neither of mine have gone wrong yet for over a year of HARD driving :razz:

turbos are great!!!!!! I intensd to turbo my van asap. and no. a PROPER turbo shouldn't go wrong... unless its been modded by an idiot... (and trust me, MANY "specialits" are idiots.... :lol:

by JJ on Fri Jul 06, 2001 8:44 pm

I can recommend Grove Garage in Romford and Sheppards in Chelmsford...both in Essex :devil:

by **Kat** on Sat Jul 07, 2001 7:26 am

Could you private message me their telephone numbers so that I can phone them up for a chat.

Thanks.

by **Fezzy Turbo** on Sat Jul 07, 2001 9:21 pm

200bhp from a zetec 2.0l !!!!! :eek:

I would think it would take the lumpiest cams ever and the maximum amount of head work.
The 2.0l pinto can get 175bhp, i have heard that Colin McRae's old MK2 RS2000 has 190bhp and that is pushing it.

by **fiesta_fras** on Sat Jul 07, 2001 9:24 pm

i thk 200bhp from a 2.0L zetec without a turbo or throttle bodies is hoping for too much.

by **Paul RS1800** on Sat Jul 07, 2001 9:54 pm

Not really : get a 2.0 and do the following :

Ported Head
Alpha engine management
Piper Race Cams
Unichip
K&N and Magnex with de-cat pipe

by **snake** on Sat Jul 07, 2001 9:55 pm

280 bhp is possible if you get stuff imported from the states. Cost you big bucks though!!, but it will rev to 9000 rpm :eek:

by **fiesta_fras** on Sat Jul 07, 2001 10:00 pm

alpha stuff is normally throttle bodies

by **sunnyFRST** on Sat Jul 07, 2001 11:57 pm

why all the confusion!?
2.1 ZVH - with Turbo - nuff said!
Can't touch it! :wink:

by **Project** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 1:50 am

Also, can't afford it! :grin:

by **sunnyFRST** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 4:03 pm

On 2001-07-07 21:55, snake wrote:
280 bhp is possible if you get stuff imported from the states. Cost you big bucks though!!, but it will rev to 9000 rpm

Yeah, agreed - but.....reving to 9000 rpm (is that advisable on a 2 wd front wheel drive car??? - I mean (280 bhp after spending all that money) resulting in just shear wheel spin after revving that high!? + your gonna need a steel bullet proof bottom end (bit like mine may I add ;P ) to take the stress INIT!

What Snake is saying could be true on the dyno or rolling road (still find it very hard to believe that a normally aspirated engine would do 280 bhp mind you!) but in my opinion would not be a very good solution in real life.

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by **Kat** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 9:41 pm

So there!!!! :razz:

So then... when you've all stop arguing!!!! What shall I do?!!! :bonkers:

by **snake** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 9:42 pm

It was built for a track car!!

by **Kat** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 10:13 pm

Oi!!!!

PACK IT IN!!!! :wink:

by **Paul RS1800** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 10:33 pm

Pack it up
Pack it in
Let me being...........................

Kat for a grand you could get :

Cams (kent/piper)
Ported head
Chip

Which should see you car upto 160bhp
Speak to Mark @ BSW, they did all the work on my car and they are Ford specialists (recommended by The RS Owners Club).

try http://www.bswmotorsport.co.uk

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by **sunnyFRST** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 10:55 pm

2.1 zetec turbo or your loss! :razz:

Wait and save up for a PROPER conversion!

Sunny.

by **Paul RS1800** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 11:25 pm

Sunny how much did your engine cost ? above or below £4K ?

by **sunnyFRST** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 11:42 pm

my one isn't exactly a normal 2.1 zvh therefore well over 4k mate.
Why? - or is it just out of curiosity?

Sunny.

by **Paul RS1800** on Sun Jul 08, 2001 11:49 pm

I fancy getting a turbo conv. on my car and the last price I got was around £4K. I didn't really want to spend that much ya see (saving for a cossy as well), do you know where I can get a straight turbo conv. (1.8 zetec turbo) done and roughly how much it would cost ?

by **sunnyFRST** on Mon Jul 09, 2001 3:21 am

If your serious and don't wanna be taken for a ride then call FFM on 01522 877887 Eve's & W'ends for a proper engine.

by **Paul RS1800** on Mon Jul 09, 2001 4:16 am

Cheers mate - I'll give them a ring after Summer.

by **Kat** on Mon Jul 09, 2001 10:12 am

Is there any way of turbo'ing my car "on the cheap" :???:

Surely there must be a way!!!!!

by **Project** on Mon Jul 09, 2001 3:46 pm

Nitrous? +50-60bhp at the flick of a switch???

by **Kat** on Mon Jul 09, 2001 5:32 pm

Looked into that extensively.... decided against it.. gonna get it done properly. Might cost a couple of grand but will be worth it in the end.

by **Project** on Tue Jul 10, 2001 1:21 am

Thank feck for that! :grin:

Turbo a Zetec - compare the number of Zetec Turbo probs to CVH Turbo probs on any site, anywhere, to get an idea of what I mean.

Al - boosting posts, talking poo

by **Kat** on Tue Jul 10, 2001 11:51 am

I'll get there.. got a few people looking out for bits and bobs for me.
I'll just 2.0L it for now, then look into turbo'ing once i've saved a bit of money. It's completely up to my b/f whether he wants to cam etc this engine, personally i'd rather him wait and save for it to be turbo'd.

by **sunnyFRST** on Tue Jul 10, 2001 7:20 pm

good gal

by **Kat** on Tue Jul 10, 2001 7:35 pm

If you'd hadn't sold your engine to bassboy... I could of had yours!!!!
Grrrrrrrrr :mad:

lol... I'll have mine quick.. you'll see!

by **sunnyFRST** on Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:15 pm

bassboy.....I've sold you my engine??? :lol:

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