Organic Or Paddle?

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Organic Or Paddle?

Postby StreetDragster on Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:05 pm

I'm looking to buy a AP clucth and would like to know the pros and cons of each.
Looking to run 20psi plus eventually via a 2100cc Zetec Turbo

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Postby Stoned on Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:27 pm

lol paddle

Organic is officially rated up to 170bhp!
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Postby StreetDragster on Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:30 pm

i see, well thats what i though then i saw this page which suggested that a organic may be ok for what i needed-

http://www.powerengineering.co.uk/acatalog/ford_products_advengine.htm#ClutchesAPRacing

The Organic clutch kit is perfect for all Escort and Sierra cars. Although it has increased spring clamp pressure compared to a standard clutch, the design of the clutch diaphragm cover means that the greater pressure does not translate into a heavier clutch pedal. The clutch plate is a full circle organic plate and is not harsh like performance clutches, making it very suitable for everyday road use. A superb road clutch which is not heavy and will handle 350 bhp.


Damn websites giving doubts to an otherwise clear view grrrrr :)

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Postby Stoned on Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:52 pm

I believe it says on the AP webpage itself that it will handle 170bhp

Obviouslly it will take more, but I doubt the kind of power a Zetec Turbo will throw at it. Try asking MoondustFRST what he uses on his ZetecTurbo. He should know for sure.
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Postby GavStyli on Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:56 pm

Matt, if you ask Karl norris or mark shead, they'd recommend an AP racing organic clutch
Tim Butch is running one in his proven 260+bhp and is not having probs
However some people dont rate them
Get a paddle if you wanna make sure it dont slip, u gotta skim the flywheel and clutch pedal will feel nice and heavy :D
ill be going for an AP racing fast road organic CP2000-8 if i decide to keep the car
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Postby StreetDragster on Fri Oct 10, 2003 6:36 pm

Will do lads, i'll send some pm's/emails out.

Gav, if you decide to sell your motor and want to part with your intercooler let me know :)

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Postby MIK3Y on Fri Oct 10, 2003 7:23 pm

Stoned :lol paddle

Organic is officially rated up to 170bhp!


Yeah but a standard clutch can take that so would imagine it is good for around 200BHP, what do u think?

Id like organic when i need a new 1 because they last longer than a paddle type so ive been told.
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Postby Stoned on Fri Oct 10, 2003 7:32 pm

I'd say 200+ myself, but I've never owned one so I'm no expert.

Some people say the Ford one will do 200bhp and indeed Gav's one does. But I got one on mine and it slips at 150bhp let alone 200!
It's not that old either
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Postby snake on Sat Oct 11, 2003 12:16 pm

it all depends how u drive it, slip the fcuker and do alot of launches a paddle is the only thing that will cope.. mine was fine with 200 and is now in lou`s car, and been fine in that :)
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Postby MIK3Y on Sat Oct 11, 2003 12:22 pm

Well u don't exactly use full power when launching anyway unless uve got a Quaife ATB diff so wouldn't expect the clutch to get f**cked by launching it a lot unless u floor it and let it wheelspin and hit the limiter when engaging would u?
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Postby crazy dave on Sat Oct 11, 2003 10:12 pm

organic's are rubbish for anything with serious Torque i had one in my xr2 zetec turbo and it span up the first time out in it wasn't very chuffed as i was told it would handle more than it did(n't) paddle clutch every time as long as the flywheel is in good order you can't tell that much between a std one
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Postby StreetDragster on Sun Oct 12, 2003 12:11 am

Thanks everyone, i'm going to order a AP Paddle i think and do the manual clutch adjust conversion

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