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Postby bigmatt_s2rst on Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:16 pm

whats required and whats crack with emissions??

just an idea at the moment
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Postby chumkila on Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:19 pm

To do it properly you'll need to change to a remappable ECU i.e. megasquirt, emerald, dta, omex, weber alpha etc that will be able to run the sensors so you can control fuelling and spark.

You can also try MegaJolt, which is similar MegaSquirt but for ignition only and works in conjuction with the ford EDIS system. You cannot control fuelling though.

There are other ways but I'm too lazy to type so will say just do a Google search :lol:
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Postby techno-t on Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:30 pm

dont nesessarily need aftermarket management, using bike carbs requires a dizzy cap and then bolt the carbs up properly jetted it should pass emissions. give the Bogg brothers a call in malton north yorkshire.
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Postby filtra on Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:53 pm

I think me might have meant throttle bodies.

No point going to carbs if you've got an EFi setup IMO.
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Postby escortbreakers.co.uk on Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:40 pm

i got em.
alot involved, basically unless you have a year to do it and have alot of knowledge then dont bother.
mine cost £350 to build and £200 for ecu and mapping is £150
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Postby edders on Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:34 pm

Feersum_Enjin :No point going to carbs if you've got an EFi setup IMO.


i would say go with the carbs as they deliver plenty of fuel to the engine so give a bit more power. also they sound incredible on full chat. also feersum_enjin i personaly feel that carbs are an excelent(sp) idea.simple to use/setup/maintain and theres little or no electronics to break down. but thats just my opinion.
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Postby si 16valver on Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:32 am

i am currently trying to buy/create/install/get mapped some honda blackbird throttle bodies the costs i have encountered so far are as follows:

throttle bodies 75
Ecu (dta) 200
inlet manifold 85

now i got to mate the bodies to the manifold and bolt em up and get my freind to wire the ecu up probably at a cost of 100 plus getting them mapped 150 so all together will have spent about 650 quid fitted and mapped and with the 4-1 stainless custom exhaust i got will put the power to 175bhp and 150lb ft so well worth it and like said will sound awesome
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Postby rowdyburns on Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:15 pm

edders :
Feersum_Enjin :No point going to carbs if you've got an EFi setup IMO.


i would say go with the carbs as they deliver plenty of fuel to the engine so give a bit more power. .


You clearly don't understand how an engine works or how to tune one so i wouldn't be giving out advice if i were you! :o
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Postby rowdyburns on Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:24 pm

Right, a lesson in fuel management.

CARB is short for carburettor - a device where fuel is metered usining a vacum and some jets.

Bike carbs are just that. Carburettors!

Throttle bodies are a device for metering air flow and the fuel is added using a mechanically or electrically controlled fuel injector.

Fuel injected bikes have THROTTLE BODIES not carburettors!
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Postby si 16valver on Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:16 pm

rowdyburns :
edders :
Feersum_Enjin :No point going to carbs if you've got an EFi setup IMO.


i would say go with the carbs as they deliver plenty of fuel to the engine so give a bit more power. .


You clearly don't understand how an engine works or how to tune one so i wouldn't be giving out advice if i were you! :o


agreed made me laugh when i saw it.. if it was down to how much fuel gives you more power people would just put 1000cc injectors on and run them at 100% you alter your fuel to how muchair your putting in not the other way round :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby filtra on Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:35 pm

edders :
Feersum_Enjin :No point going to carbs if you've got an EFi setup IMO.


i would say go with the carbs as they deliver plenty of fuel to the engine so give a bit more power. also they sound incredible on full chat. also feersum_enjin i personaly feel that carbs are an excelent(sp) idea.simple to use/setup/maintain and theres little or no electronics to break down. but thats just my opinion.


Have you ever played around with carbs? They are a real pig unless you really know/experienced with what your doing with them. The whole getting the jet's set up malarky is quite tricky to do well i.e. specing the right carbs and jets to get good fueling across the rev range. Carbs also tend to require a bit more maintenance as they tend to de-set them selves quicker than an EFi setup. I am not saying they are a bad option but there are better options available.

My friends XR2 1600 was on twin 40's and returned something like 12MPG he now has a 1.8 Zetec on TB's controlled by OMEX and laterly mega squirt which he rates much more over the carbs. EFi is much more DIY mechanic friendly as you can get plenty of basemaps of MS forums to tweak to your setup with lots of support (rather like here) where as this isn't as readily available with carb tuning, the knowledge is there but expect to pay for it! To be honest regarding the electronics, they are pretty basic EFi setup from the 90's, very few sensors and all known quantities so if something goes wrong it's easy to find out what it is.

Have a read of Haynes Engine management. It's got a good section on carbs covering the basics and then goes on to talk about EFi, TB's and management + you get a free copy of Emerald M3DK :D.
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