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[MK2 Jamie]

The clicking is the fuel pump priming....sounds like the one or several of the injectors could be faulty or blocked.

[Smo]

The clicking is the fuel pump priming....sounds like the one or several of the injectors could be faulty or blocked.

By the injectors clicking, he means they're opening and closing as they should I had my ear to them with a screwdriver

Hopefully he'll find out more tonight!

[MK2 Jamie]

I had my ear to them with a screwdriver

[russ-RST]

right iv got the pictures uploaded from the work iv been doing.. isnt many as my fone keeps buggering up sorry bout the bad quality lol




this is the engine all ready to come out, good old trusty seat belt used to lift it


this is the new T2 iv got for it

rs turbo bonnet in good nick, this will be going on my car once sprayed



thought i'd put the rst wheels on it as i was fed up with the escort wheels scrubbing but these are even worse as its just so dam low on the front


engine plonked in there

recaros tranfered over onto the mk3.5 frames and put in, cant stress how clean they are


this is the boost control valve which i have since found the plug to

[russ-RST]

onto the engine side of things it runs but quite badly, sounds like a very loud exhaust blow
i done the compression test on it and it came up as 135-140 on all 4 cylinders (about 9.5 bar???) i think this is right is it not??

and when i took out the plugs for it the plugs in cylinders 1+2 were all clean as if unused and no. 3+4 were black as if to say overfueling so maybe i could have the injectors in cylinders 1+2 blocked and instead of firing out of these its firing extra fuel into 3+4

im going to tomorow order up a new gasket for the manifould to turbo joint and then take it all off and make sure it is all super tight lol

does anyone have any ideas??? as its completly baffled me

i really hope its nothing serious

[Smo]

Well at least the compression is even across the four.

Were the plugs on 1 and 2 fuelly at all? Or does it seem as though there's definitely no fuel going in?

Unfortunately I've not got any injectors or anything to try

[russ-RST]

no it didnt seam like there was anything goin in the pots fuel wise i think il get em out tomorow and have a look but not really sure what to look for

[jonyb4]

140psi seems rather low, especially for a turbo engine, most are around 170 and thats N/A


it will be hard surely to reach close to your ideal target of 200bhp with a T2 mate, most have reached that figure with a T3

shame about the shell, id love to take it off your hands if you were a bit closer kent is a bit to go with a trailer i assume you live near si as hes around often

is there any bad smoke from the tailpipe?

black plugs is either overfueling, or oil is getting in the cylinder, but overfuleing tends to turn the tip brown as the plug is actually burning from the excessive "bang" caused by more fuel

injectors are sounding more and more probable to me

try and find some cheap spares

[russ-RST]

140psi seems rather low, especially for a turbo engine, most are around 170 and thats N/A


it will be hard surely to reach close to your ideal target of 200bhp with a T2 mate, most have reached that figure with a T3

i know i just wanted a standard t2 for the moment untill iv rebuilt the engine and got it all sweet then i will start tuning it

shame about the shell, id love to take it off your hands if you were a bit closer kent is a bit to go with a trailer i assume you live near si as hes around often


the shell is really rotten mate
is there any bad smoke from the tailpipe?
thers no smoke at all from it
black plugs is either overfueling, or oil is getting in the cylinder, but overfuleing tends to turn the tip brown as the plug is actually burning from the excessive "bang" caused by more fuel

hmm i shall check tomorow its probs only been run for a minute over all as i dont wanna break it
injectors are sounding more and more probable to me
yea thats what im thinking
try and find some cheap spares

im tryin but cant find any atm

[Smo]

Tell you what, Russ, just swap them about tomorrow (but mark the ones you think are bad ), and see if that affects anything. If you put the good ones on 1 and 2 and then pull the leads again, you'll soon know

It's crude, but may just answer the question.

I've definitely not got any blues about, and I don't know of anyone else that would either. You could always try Ford It tomorrow and see if they have any... I've got a feeling XR2i 8v ones are the same? Someone on here will know, or even the search might bring up the answer. Pinch your cousin's ones for a while!

If you've got some carb clean, you might even be able to clean the injectors if they're blatantly crapped up... Again, it's crude, and not ideal, but anything to get it going... I know you need this running ASAP!

[russ-RST]

Tell you what, Russ, just swap them about tomorrow (but mark the ones you think are bad ), and see if that affects anything. If you put the good ones on 1 and 2 and then pull the leads again, you'll soon know

yea i think il be trying this good idea

It's crude, but may just answer the question.

I've definitely not got any blues about, and I don't know of anyone else that would either. You could always try Ford It tomorrow and see if they have any... I've got a feeling XR2i 8v ones are the same? Someone on here will know, or even the search might bring up the answer. Pinch your cousin's ones for a while!

cant be bothered to walk to ford it spares il see if i can get a lift of some1 altho i have a veru tiny budget atm
yea i could have a word with him

If you've got some carb clean, you might even be able to clean the injectors if they're blatantly crapped up... Again, it's crude, and not ideal, but anything to get it going... I know you need this running ASAP!

yea its not looking like its going to be done for sunday hopefully when i swap the injectors over that will tell me more im going to get the rst ready to be gone tomorow so most of my day is going to be taken up doing that but i shall try and have a look at it...... can i not use the beige injectors im sure these are in the silvertop mondeos aint they if so i could go to the scrappy and get a few if it solves the problem just so i know it runs ok

[Smo]

Jony, that compression test shows that it's even, and being lower compression, it will naturally be lower than an engine of higher compression ratio. Also, how long the engine was turned over for will have an effect on the figure. But at that sort of compression test result, it should be running better than it is.

[Smo]

Silvertops are all side-fed, so they're no good for yours. You need end-fed injectors... And ideally, you need something that flows the same as yours do. They also need to be of the same impedance.

Are you actually aiming to get rid of the shell tomorrow? Or just getting it ready?

[russ-RST]

Silvertops are all side-fed, so they're no good for yours. You need end-fed injectors... And ideally, you need something that flows the same as yours do. They also need to be of the same impedance.

Are you actually aiming to get rid of the shell tomorrow? Or just getting it ready?

ahhh right ok so are there any injectors i could pick up from a local scrappy as iv never seen a rst in reclamet or zens

just get it ready mate its going tomorow so if theres anything you want txt me

[bakewell001]

I was going to suggest swapping the injectors over (after marking them 1-4) to see if it makes any difference at all. At least you can rule out the injectors being at fault before buying another set. I would also try swapping the fuel tank/pumps over seeing as you have both, to see if that makes any difference.

My (broken) Rs turbo lump read 125 compression on the good cylinders, so 140 sounds ok (was the engine warm or cold?) At least it rules that out as being a problem.

[russ-RST]

yea i think i will test the injectors a few times but im starting to think it must be them lol
yeah i think i will swap the pumps over as cant really afford the space to have a tank lying about so will just take the pump outta the rs tank nd chuck the tank

yea the engine wwas cold pretty much only been started for a total of 15 secs before hand

and yea im sure we measured cylinder 1 ,2 and 4 were 135 ish and cylinder 3 was about 128 so we thought it cant be that bad surely

[russ-RST]

i have another idea aswell i was fidling with the bar that comes out of the actuator.... im told this adjusts the boost whoops im a dumbass

can anyone tell/show me how to adjust this so it is on the standard setting as i havent a clue how to do it and dont want to damage my engine running too much/too little

[MK2 Jamie]

It will be near on impossible to tell how much boost you are running without a boost gauge. I wouldn't mess about with the actuator arm if I was you.

[Smo]

I think Russ has got a boost gauge in there, but just needs to know how to adjust it

I believe you need to wind the rod in to increase boost and wind it out to decrease it... I'm pretty sure that won't be what's causing your running issues though. I have a feeling you did leave it wound out quite a lot when you were putting your new turbo together though Someone might have an idea roughly how far out it needs to be

[russ-RST]

yes i have a boost gauge fitted, i just wanted a rough idea where about the rod is meant to be so i can check i havent tried puttin stupid amounts of boost through it or none at all just a safety precausion as i wuldnt like to of gone through all this trouble for my first drive to be really fast on 20 psi and blow the pistons turbo etc etc lol

[scottxr2i]

well now i have payed for you to get some injectors hopefully we will be able to see very soon if it is them thats causing theproblems or somethng else
lets be hoping its the injectors as we can then solely focus on my lil projct lol xr2i for the win

[russ-RST]

well now i have payed for you to get some injectors hopefully we will be able to see very soon if it is them thats causing theproblems or somethng else
lets be hoping its the injectors as we can then solely focus on my lil projct lol xr2i for the win

i do hope it is the injectors lol and yea once mine is all running its all systems 100% on gettin ur beast onto the road defo cant be bad another performance fiesta on the road

[Smo]

Did you swap yours around to see if it was them causing the problem or not?

[russ-RST]

na havent tried that yet mate as iv just started my new job and been working 7-7 everyday collecting my injectors from the post office tomorow as no1 was in to sign for them lol and then il be going up to ford to get the seals as i dont know of anywhere else near that i can get them, will they have to order them in? and does anyone know a rough price???

[russ-RST]

right i have my injectors and my injector seals, i should finish work around 2ish altho i dont actually have a finish time i will fit the new injectors and give her a whirl, if that doesnt solve the problem im completely stumped so i hope it does will keep you all updated

[Smo]

Hope it sorts it!

[russ-RST]

right fitted all the new injectors and injectors seals and its STILL not running right this is seriously doing my head in now i havent got the time to not have my car i need it running ASAP!
i think im just guna stick it in a garage soon and just throw money at them if they fix it

just took a few photos of all the inlet side of things to check with people if i have done all the vacuums etc. properly

this comes from somewhere underneath the inlet


this goes to the EDIS module i think it is??? (that black box in the top right corner of picture) or something on the same plate as it


this is the vacuum hose from the brake servo to the inlet manifold


this is the breather pot section


this is where i have earthed the two wires


i also found this in the rst shell in the glovebox dont have a clue what it is, is it important does anyone know???

[frst toady]

that bit what u found in glove box is the washer bottle pump
not important cos your 1 probably still on your car

[jonyb4]

i agree

[Smo]

Russ, is it still noisy? Or have you sorted that now.

Also, are you 100% certain on that timing? I know I asked before, but just want to make sure!

Do you know if fuel is definitely being pumped into those 1 and 2 cylinders?

[russ-RST]

na its still really noisy and smoky from the exhaust manifold area

yea im very very sure the timing is spot on

i dont think there is any fuel going into them as there is no marks on the spark plugs at all when i took them out they were clean as clean, and the other 2 were black as anything, im gettin a friend who is a VERY good mechanic to come and test things etc on wednesday and hopefully he can find out whats wrong with it.....bloody thing

and thanks about the washer pump i have thrown it in the box of spares

[russ-RST]

well today is the day! my mechanic is coming around at 7pm tonyt so hopefully tonyt i will have an update and a vid of it running i really hope so im dreading going another day without my car

theres one thing i want to do more than anything is clean it

will post up tonyt with the outcome of the spannering session later on

fingers crossed

[bakewell001]

Fingers etc crossed!

Hopefully it's nothing serious

You should get a video of it anyway even if it's running rough - you never know someone on here might know the problem from that.

[frst toady]

av u fixed it yet? if so wot was it??

[russ-RST]

ITS ALIVE!!!!!!
so happy its running all on four cylinders now

in the end no.1 and 2 injectors wernt gettin a pulse so we checked the wiring in the injector loom and although being a bit bodged by the previous owner it was all go so a make or brake moment was to check pin 58 on the ecu whether we had a constand between that and the loom and it turned out the plug going into the ecu the pin for no 58 was loose and wasnt making a contact to the ecu, pushed this back in turned the key and VROOOOM runs smooth as a nut
very happy with the outcome just a small job list for the weekend then i can have my baby back wash it and take some pictures
left to do:
align gearlinkage
re-adjust boost as i turned it down by accident
chuck in some anti freeze as at the moment its just water

and a extremely happy drive home