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[gooner boy]

Can anyone tell me please if its worth getting T3 conversion over hybrid T2 for my frst. Wont i get more lag with T3, How much would it cost?

[AdrianFRST]

Cost depends who does it, DIY with 2nd hand parts you can do it for less than £200 (I did). Take it to a tuner and you could be looking at up to £1500, although this will be with brand new (often hybrid) T3.

You need:

Escort T3 turbo
Suitable actuator (-31)
Escort manifold
Escort downpipe
Escort oil feed pipe
Escort return pipe

It's more laggy as you'd expect, but you getter a bigger kick when it comes on boost, T2 --> T3 -->

It's easier to drive off boost as well, keeping the engine temps and fuel consumption down.

Cost me just short of £200 and definately the best £200 I've ever spent on the car. Highly recommended, just ask anyone who's been in or driven my car!

[Andy Si]

I saw Ade's motor tearing up & down the carpark @ South Mimms services.

When it kicked in it was like a rocket

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[gooner boy]

cheers sounds good 2 me.

[Ian C70T5]

But then try and listen to someones point of view with a T2 hybrid!!!!!

[AdrianFRST]

Go on then...

Explain why a hybrid T2 is worth twice as much as a hybrid T3...

[Ian C70T5]

Errrrrmmm. Put on the spot by the big man..

errrmmmmm

I've had 2 FRST's both times i had a T2 hybrid fitted, especially this time round after driving my missus' ERST S2...

The T2 hybrid may be about 6/700 quid, but i get nearly no lag... cause it kicks in at 2k and keeps holding full boost all the way to the limiter!

I run it reliably upto 19 PSI and it holds boost perfectly will.. (when i say reliably, im talking turbo reliable, engine is another matter, but the turbo can handle it)

In my honest opinion, even though im not a mechanic or car expert, i think for a 1.6 engine the T2 is good enough.. The T3 conversion is best used and utillised with a bigger engie, i.e. 1.9 cvh or the 1.8/2.0/2.1 Zetec or ZVH engines..

I manage to get very good top end with the T2, been off clock when running standard wheels and 4 people in at only 15psi.. For the little amount of time it ran 19psi, it was amazingly rapid and powerful. plenty of torque etc..

Just My honest opinion, sorry.

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[Muzza]

All thats fair enough, nut ill still be going for the T3 when i get out of my overdraft and fix some other things on my car

[Paul R]

IMHO
Depends what ya after...
My standard T2 let me do 0-60 @ 6.42 and a 1/4 @ 14.5, would my engine with the same spec but with a T3 do the same???
I will never know but I would have said no.
On the Track... (RAF Alconbury) Me and Ian were kicking arse!
and we both had T2's and there were two other 1.6 cvh T3 converted FRST's that didn't even come close
So i was never convinced...

I recently drove Ades Fessie and it didn't feel very responsive till 3000 revs then bang.. the wheels spun up, not my cup of tea... BUT on the road me and ade had a *cough*race*cough* and i was shocked that i couldn't lose him from 60 - 120 mph he was with me the whole way yet he was 30/40bhp down on me!! Imagine if ade had more boost and better cooling!!! even better top end but also more laggy!

So for acceleration T2 For top end T3

or for both 2.1 Zetec 16v with hybrid T3

[Ian C70T5]

Cheers Paul.. VERY fair answer mate..

I remember the REVS shootout at Alconbury..

That was in my old FRST... If anyone has the magazine with the Fiesta Trackday mine was the one with the body kit missing in one corner.. But Paul, we did kick ass that day... 100mph round the last corner where everyone was joining and leaving and watching.. well impressive

[snake]

T3 anyday, mine cost me big bucks £1000+ ish but everything was new apart from the manifold and its a stage 3 T3. Top end on a T2 tails off too early. Running the same boost I gained 26 bhp(this includes extra intercooler mods). Kicks in with a bang at 3800-3900 and goes past 7500 rpm, the T2 tailed off alot earlier than the T3, +T3 holds the boost better.. The other reason for my T3 is that its getter a bigger engine next year

I defo agree with Ade that its alot more driveable around towns etc as there is no boost..
Don`t know about the fuel consumption though, but then again beige injectors don`t help
(standard T2)

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[Paul R]

So its agreed that it's a owner preference
And my preference is acceleration
Hence me getting the 16v conversion.. 2.1 for the torque and T3 blower for the power.. best of both

[gooner boy]

so roughly how much does one of these 2.1 Zetec 16v with hybrid T3 conversions cost then,im thinkin its gona be bucks.

[Ian C70T5]

ALOT...

Because thats my next route after my latest rebuild blows

[alex76]

cost me £240 best money i have spent the difference was unreal.the hybrid T3 needs alot more fuel but that`s the one to go for got a stage three T3
and system two cvh now top boss tuning are fitting cosworth mangement at the moment i`ll be kicking ass at the end of this month

[JJ]

So, Paul R reckons the hybrid T2 is better for acceleration and the T3 better for top end. I remember going out in Mike Gurney's 1600 FRST with a .48/55 T3 and it was seriously quick, even on 10psi. The plus point was the way it held boost over 5000rpm, where mine would see the boost tailing off. It was easily as quick as mine and the lag was hardly noticeable.

The question is, which produces more torque?
(more torque=more acceleration). Anyone with rolling road outputs who can help?

It is interesting too how all these ERST boyz with their 1600 hybrid T3 engines seem to build some seriously quick cars. Add EECiV over KE-Jetronic and surely a T3 1600 in a FRST should be even quicker?