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Turbo, 1.8 mondy or 2.0 mondy?

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Turbo, 1.8 mondy or 2.0 mondy?

Postby FiestaMental on Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:48 pm

Which one? I have over 5k in my bank at the moment and can spend up to about 2500 to 3k. Which shall i get and should i buy parts brand new ie engine and box etc? What probelms would i be looking at when its all in. Car at the moment is a 1.4SI.

I am able to get full turbo running gear inc loom and everything for about 1k. Any good?

Advice please :D
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Postby TrekkieFRST on Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:55 pm

2ltr Turbo?? :D :D
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Postby FiestaMental on Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:56 pm

ouch! How? What bottom end is that?
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Postby TomFiesta on Fri Nov 22, 2002 4:28 pm

Out of the three i would have the mondeo 2l.
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Postby elm_us on Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:12 pm

speak to Xfactor m8

http://www.xfactormotorsport.co.uk


they are doing engine conversions, have a word :wink:
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Postby chumkila on Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:37 pm

I say woteva u wana go for, as long as ur happy.
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Postby snake on Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:55 pm

u aint gonna get a 2 litre turbo for £2500-3k....

lookin at £600ish just in basic parts for 2 litre engine rebuild+£250-300 for engine..

depends wot u want really, wotever u get, get it rebuilt if u want it reliable.. lol u have to decide if u want the turbo lump or stay n/a b4 we can do any sorta prices, u aint gonna get t/b conversion and engine(inc rebuild) for 2.5-3k
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Postby chumkila on Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:07 pm

Not if ur paying some to do it ur not.
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Postby xfactor on Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:19 pm

You'd be lucky to do it for that yourself as you'd have to pay retail on most of the parts :wink:
We give discounts on the parts if we are doing the conversion :D
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Postby chumkila on Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:22 pm

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Postby rs125 on Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:54 pm

snake :u aint gonna get t/b conversion and engine(inc rebuild) for 2.5-3k



Why would a zetec lump with say 50,000 miles with fsh ( avaible from numerous scrap yards etc) require rebuilding in order for it to run reliably on t/b's ??

My car (rs1800) has done 69,000 and ive been looking into getting t/b's for it and there is no way im going to rebuild the bottom end first , there's just no need for it !
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Postby snake on Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:01 pm

rs125 :
snake :u aint gonna get t/b conversion and engine(inc rebuild) for 2.5-3k



Why would a zetec lump with say 50,000 miles with fsh ( avaible from numerous scrap yards etc) require rebuilding in order for it to run reliably on t/b's ??

My car (rs1800) has done 69,000 and ive been looking into getting t/b's for it and there is no way im going to rebuild the bottom end first , there's just no need for it !


urm i am goin on the presumption that the engine is from scrappy and unknown, which is probably what FiestaMental would end up with, if its on the original engine that is known to be good then thats fine.. I wrote that as advise for him...
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Postby rs125 on Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:45 pm

snake :
rs125 :
snake :u aint gonna get t/b conversion and engine(inc rebuild) for 2.5-3k



Why would a zetec lump with say 50,000 miles with fsh ( avaible from numerous scrap yards etc) require rebuilding in order for it to run reliably on t/b's ??

My car (rs1800) has done 69,000 and ive been looking into getting t/b's for it and there is no way im going to rebuild the bottom end first , there's just no need for it !


urm i am goin on the presumption that the engine is from scrappy and unknown, which is probably what FiestaMental would end up with, if its on the original engine that is known to be good then thats fine.. I wrote that as advise for him...



Urm and so did i in order to save him £600 for a non required rebuild as the way you worded it (ie what ever you get get it rebuilt) could of confused people..

But i agree if the engine is unknown and has no history its best to whip the pistons etc out to check for wear..
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Postby Mexi on Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:45 am

may aswell rebuild a bottom end if its out the car, pice of cake innit :)
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Postby Project on Sat Nov 23, 2002 1:54 am

Mexi :may aswell rebuild a bottom end if its out the car, pice of cake innit :)


I'm guessing you don't often (successfully) bake many cakes, do you? :P
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Postby snake on Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:09 am

lol
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Postby elm_us on Sat Nov 23, 2002 3:19 am

:lol: @ AL


RS125. snake is clearly just generalising, if fiestamentel is realy thinking about it im sure he will talk to snake/jay more detail in private...
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Postby FiestaMental on Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:54 pm

Well. thanks for all the advice peeps. Im gonna giev xfactor a call tomorrow. Just tried now but there's no answer on his mobile. I want a turbo mainly for the 'kick' when it comes in and if i do end up getting a turbo lump then i'll obviously shove a 195 chip in it too! I'll speak to my mate tomorrow.

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Postby Project on Mon Nov 25, 2002 2:53 am

195 chips normally = big bang, don't they? ;)

I'd say for the budget you have you could have yourself a nice, powerful n/a 2.0L zetec and put a couple of £ towards the insurance costs too.

You could prolly get an n/a Zetec 2.0 up to a realistic 150-160bhp on custom management, good cams, free-flow exhaust, etc etc, but in order to turbo it you're definitely looking at an awful lot more money unless you DIY it (and do it properly).

That said, how many Zetec Turbos have I built lately? Errm, how about none? :D
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Postby Ian C70T5 on Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:06 pm

Project ST2000 :That said, how many Zetec Turbos have I built lately? Errm, how about none? :D



I'm building 1 :-D ;-)
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Postby chumkila on Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:20 pm

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Postby MadcatCraig on Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:52 pm

depends on what parts you wish to use.

if you are willign to pay for new pistons (£500+)

then either engine 1.8 or 2.0 will be roughly the same price.

if you go for 2.0 you can aquire some mahle calibra pistons 76mm i think (i got some from a vauxhall tuner for £80)

these are forged and as logn as pistons rings on the engine were good they shouldnt have much wear.

uthen need the con rods and pistons modded to go into the engine and the block itself bored to the correct size. thus giving about 2050 cc i think.

the block also needs loads of other mods as does the head to accept inlet and exhaust manifolds.

its by no means a strap on job

but can be done for under £1000 if your as tight as me and have all the turbo running gear in the first place.
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Postby FiestaMental on Tue Nov 26, 2002 1:42 pm

Just had a word mith my mate who works for ford and he's getting in touch with someone who was selling a FRST back-end damage whole car for 450 notes. If he's still selling it then i'll get that off him, have the two cars side-by-side and swap the whole bloody lot over. Got a couple of mechanices to help me too!

Any ideas on how long this process will take as i use my car at the weekends but dont really need to during the week.
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Postby Fiestasi-Andy on Tue Nov 26, 2002 2:00 pm

FiestaMental :
Any ideas on how long this process will take as i use my car at the weekends but dont really need to during the week.


surely it depends on how quick and good u & your mates are
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Postby FiestaMental on Tue Nov 26, 2002 4:53 pm

Ok he's got me a quote from his mate at his work...ready?....It's £1700 all in including parts and fitting. To me, that sounds pretty good but he'd have to source the gearbox, loom, engine etc.

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Postby chumkila on Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:01 pm

thats a good price Mental. does that include the buying of ALL parts and engine??
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Postby FiestaMental on Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:17 am

yeah, thats the lot all up and running. Shall i do it?
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Postby sugbug on Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:49 am

get a saxo vt what ever, there nice and i dont care what u lot think off them :P
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Postby chumkila on Wed Nov 27, 2002 9:59 am

FiestaMental :yeah, thats the lot all up and running. Shall i do it?


how good is his work?? have u seen it?
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Postby FiestaMental on Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:11 pm

how good is his work?? have u seen it?


His work is pretty well and he's friend of a friend so he aint gonna do a poo job on it cos he works with him!

I spoke to him today and told him that the parts that he does get are gonna be 2nd hand but i want a BRAND SPANKING NEW engine from Fords. This is about 1k on its own, so instead of getting a fairly good condition RST im gonna get a brand new engine'd, never been used RST which (when run in) should go pretty well with a chip. Not a 195 though as project said earlier, big bang. A 165 will go in.

This whole lot up and running is about £2500. And i reckon thats a wicked price for a (practically brand new car). What do ya think?

BTW, this is gonna happen soon after christmas...watch this space! :D
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Postby matthewhignett on Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:12 pm

just outta interest > if you mate has stil go tthe number for the bloke with the back ended frst - i will buy it > and if you sort it out for my at whatever price i will give you 700 notes, you make out of it, that fine, i dont care but i want the lot for a frst conversion and have £700 waiting in ca$h!!
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Postby chumkila on Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:17 pm

FiestaMental for that price AND a new engine u cant go wrong. Have u asked him if he can do a Zetec Turbo and if so , how much?

I'm just thinkin on the price differences. :)
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Postby FiestaMental on Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:06 pm

Cheers Chum. I didn't ask about the zetec trubo cos thats when it starts getting costly and i dont even wanna start dreaming about that......yet :rolleyes:

just outta interest > if you mate has stil go tthe number for the bloke with the back ended frst - i will buy it > and if you sort it out for my at whatever price i will give you 700 notes, you make out of it, that fine, i dont care but i want the lot for a frst conversion and have £700 waiting in ca$h!!


I asked him about it but he said the bloke's gona away now and the chances are very slim as he had loads of offers though. I'll let ya know though mate. :wink:
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Postby rs125 on Wed Nov 27, 2002 8:41 pm

Where are all the other bits for the conversion coming from - ie turbo/manifolds/loom /gearbox etc etc and how much are the extra bits costing you ? :)
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Postby FiestaMental on Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:24 am

The other bits and bobs, he's gonna source but as he works for ford, it wont be too hard. He said he could get the lot in a week.

Whole lot is costing 2500 notes and thats up and running inc parts and labour
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