Turbo engines?

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Postby Danny 2i on Sun Jun 03, 2001 4:20 pm

if i were to have a turbo exchanged for my 1.1, which engine should i go 4 (FRST or ERST?) what are the main differences between the two and what are the costs involved as i'm gonna have 2 pay sum1 to do it 4 me! i'm no good with engines!
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Postby fiesta boy on Sun Jun 03, 2001 4:30 pm

frst as the escort root is too complacted it involves making your own wireing loom
p.s are you still having these c/l moters
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Postby bassboy on Sun Jun 03, 2001 4:32 pm

The differences are that the Fiesta engine has a smaller turbo...a T2 was used in place of a T3...this means that the turbo kicks in a fair bit quicker than the T3 but would run out of push in the top end revs whereas the T3 would keep going stronger than the T2

The management changed from a KE-Jetronic system to a management with full EFI (electronic fuel injection)

The ignition setting is different and the plugs were changed.

The tuning potential for the FRST lump is sumwhat restricted compared to the ERST lump because of the injectors.....however, this can be easily over come by putting bigger injectors in

I aint too sure about the costs but i know it will cost u a fair bit...especially to do the conversion properly. Im gonna be doing this conversion on an Escort Combi very soon but will be using a FRST lump just [ERRR] of the fact that i know someone selling one (if he still sells it to me that is!). Dont forget though, u'll have to change MANY other parts of the car as well so it will be able to cope with the extra power! e.g, brakes, gearbox, suspension, bushes, suspension etc etc....u might be better of buying a turbo in the first place...u can pick them up for about £1500-2000 these days!

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Postby Project on Sun Jun 03, 2001 4:33 pm

The FRST engine is newer (they were introduced around the same time the ERST engine was phased out) and use the EFi system instead of the ERST's KE-Jetronic ignition system. FRSTs have slightly better BHP and economy as a result. Also, the T2 tubby used by the FRST spins up earlier, as opposed to the ERST's T3, which will also cause quite a lot of space problems when you come to squeeze it into the engine bay (although it's not impossible, just an embuggerance).

Also, the FRST engine's coolant pipes, radiator mounts, header tank, air box and turbo are all capable of dropping into the Fiesta's engine bay much more easily, although you'll still undoubtedly have some trouble fitting it in.
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Postby fiesta boy on Sun Jun 03, 2001 9:39 pm

project st2000 have you swalloed the hanyes manul of late oooooooooo you forget the first rule remove the bonnet
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Postby fiesta_fras on Sun Jun 03, 2001 10:04 pm

easier to lower the car shell ova the engine and g/box.

if i followed the haynes manual step by step i would hav had to remove my seats to run my RCA cables down my car.
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Postby Danny 2i on Sun Jun 03, 2001 10:30 pm

i dun't really wanna buy a new car...i've just spent a fair bit on stuff 4 mine and have already made some irreversable changes which if left will mean i get bugger all 4 mine! i would like to buy a frst but if it'll cost as much as the transplant, i'd rather do that i tink. how much i lookin at first 2 buy a frst lump and various bit n bobs and then second 4 some1 to shove it all in 4 me (just the engine..stuff such as brakes, suspension i a capable of, but engines stetch my limits 2 far!)
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Postby fiesta boy on Mon Jun 04, 2001 6:36 am

MK is selling one on this board with evey thing you neen
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Postby Project on Mon Jun 04, 2001 11:41 am

Told you I chat spork.

Fraser's right - just use a couple 'a axle stands and hoik the shassis right up, slide the lump and box attached underneath and lower to your heart's content :smile:)
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Postby Danny 2i on Mon Jun 04, 2001 5:07 pm

yeah n then wot would i do? i cant hook a engine up..no way! how much it cost me 2 get some1 2 do it 4 me? n e1 wanna do it 4 me??!!! :lol:
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Postby Marcob on Tue Jun 05, 2001 12:46 pm

it will also be more expensive to insure than a standard FRST [ERRR] of the transplant, I did a engine transplant (though not a FRST) and regret it so much as it cost so much more than I expected, so much stuff has to be changed ECU ect which I have not done yet as I cant afford it at the mo! I would seriously think about buying an FRST to begin with.
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Postby Danny 2i on Tue Jun 05, 2001 5:15 pm

that bad really? mite have a browse around then...i'll be pretty p1553d off tho cos ive just spent last 2 monts with car up on brick in garage trying 2 sort the thing out!!!
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Postby Phil Si on Tue Jun 05, 2001 5:50 pm

nooooooooooo danny m8 dont get a turbo, as u'll beat me next time u see me :grin:
stick with ur 1.1 or maybee a 1.4 :smile: u know u want to :grin:
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Postby Danny 2i on Wed Jun 06, 2001 10:42 am

ha! ha! now u made my mind up hil! im gonna kick ur ass!!! :lol: gotta check insurance 1st tho' n e ideas how much??? wot little ticks can i put in 2 cut costs i.e. i only drive 3 miles a year!!! summat like that!!
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Postby bassboy on Wed Jun 06, 2001 11:20 am

u could use the usual, annual mileage is 3000miles or something, is always locked in a garage with 50 dogs around it, CAT1 alarmed, u could always not declare the mods until u build up ur no claims????? dodgy i know but sometimes has to be done!

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Postby Phil Si on Wed Jun 06, 2001 12:28 pm

hey i heard that a local shop is sellin video camera's with sound for 20 quid :sad:
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