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[timmy turbo]

Hi can anyone please help me out? i currently own a frst on a j plate thats done 90,000, the engine is a standard cvh efi 1.6 turbo. The mods that are done are as follows
Stage 1 165bhp chip (collins performance)
Full scorpion stainless steel exhaust
K&N airfilter 571i ( i think ?)
Samco hoses all round
Thats basically it for performance, anyway, my car started chugging blue smoke the other day so shes in the garage resting and ive come to the conclusion that my turbos on its way out which leaves me with the decision of what to do next. Do i recon my poxy standard turbo or do i go bigger? Iwas planning on having my mates T3 with the 360 thrust bearing anyway,but not yet as its still sat on his cossie, with mine going now im in a dillema, wait for my mates T3 (poss 3 month)
Get my standard turbo (reconditioned)
Or go for an escort T2 turbo
Sorry for all the info but any recomendations, help, and advice would be appreciated.
Thanks from Timmy turbo (J646 UVW)

[RS GEZ]

Escort is a t3 pal my frst has a hybrid one get one on they are great

[Oranoco]

The T2 on the Fiesta is quite frankly pants, every FRST owner should bin it off and go for a T3. Shame Ford didn't give us this turbo from the start.

My personal choice would be the Escort RS Turbo stage 2 Hybrid T3. This has the benefit of having the 360 degree bearing but retains the .36 exhaust housing to keep lag down.

[wildheart]

Agree with the above aslong as its a good make such as Turbotechnics.

[saqmaster]

Escort RS Turbo T3 with a 0.48 exhaust housing.

[timmy turbo]

Doesnt the .48 housing create more lag, ive been told to go with the .35 housing?

[saqmaster]

If you want over 200bhp, you'll need a .48. It's as simple as that!

[timmy turbo]

Would i need to do anything to my head running 200 bhp or will the satndard engine handle that, i dont want it to go bang on me?

[saqmaster]

No.. standard head is fine.. CVH34 cam would be a good idea though.. obviously you'll need the chip/map sensor/injectors/fuel pump/intercooler to go with the turbo...

[timmy turbo]

ok mate cheers for that, ive decided then im going for the stage 2 remap 195bhp with the beige injectors uprated fuel pump, Stage 2 T3 turbo with 360 thrust bearing and the .48 exhaust housing, big front mounted intercooler and the st150 front brakes, then she will go for a rolling road setup to make sure shes running ok, and to see how much more bhp ive got to play with lol cheers for your help, oh yeah how much will i get the cam kit for ? and what bhp do you think i will be pushing with that little setup?

[saqmaster]

CVH34 is around £200 I think...

Depending on what injectors.. around 210bhp

[timmy turbo]

That's what i was hoping for cheers for your help mate.

[timmy turbo]

Any ideas how much im looking at for all that to be done to my car off the top of your head?

[saqmaster]

I don't think you'd get much change out of 2 grand if you had it done somewhere proper (like Grove Garage). It'd get set up properly on the road too, not on a rolling road.

[timmy turbo]

What do you mean get it set up on the road?

[saqmaster]

As in, live mapped on the road in a realistic environment.. not on rollers.

[timmy turbo]

Right mate im with you any idea who will do that for me?

[saqmaster]

http://www.grovegarage.com

[knuckles]

Its all good whacking a new turbo on and spending a whole load of money on new injectors, chip's, cams etc...

Can your cvh engine with 90,000 on the clock handle the extra power ?
maybe do a compression test 1st ...

I up'd the power on my xr2i and now piston rings are on the way out

[Oranoco]

If you want over 200bhp, you'll need a .48. It's as simple as that!

Complete tripe! My Escort was running at a proven 248bhp on the .36 housing and by changing to the .48 I've gained just 8bhp and given myself a whole load of new headaches.

My brothers FRST is also on the .36 and makes over 200bhp.

[timmy turbo]

Right what would be the best suggestion then, i obviously dont want to pop a piston through the head, has anyone else got a tuned cvh turbo thats done 90,000 miles? should i have an engine rebuild before i start whaking new cams and turbos onto my machine, i really am not a mechanically minded person i know 90,000 is alot of miles but my car runs as sweet as anut. i service it every 5,000 miles or so. Would i need a complete rebuild or would some new pistons be ok. Im really unsure what to do i might just leave it as it is, ive got between 1500 and 2000 grand to chuck at my machine, if you were in my situation what would you do? Sorry to keep going on but its my pride and joy, i know tuning any vehicle brings its downsides but to me its not worth doing if my engines not going to last.

[wildheart]

Just noticed your down the road from me lol.

Might be worth getting a specialist to give it the once over before you think about modding it but only problem is not many people our way will touch frst's (not ones that know what they are doing anyway!)

Could be worth calling motorsport developments at blackpool.

[timmy turbo]

Cheers for that advice mate, where abouts in derbyshire are you and do you know where ashbourne is?

[wildheart]

I live just outside Brailsford only 10 minutes from Ashbourne

[saqmaster]

If you want over 200bhp, you'll need a .48. It's as simple as that!

Complete tripe! My Escort was running at a proven 248bhp on the .36 housing and by changing to the .48 I've gained just 8bhp and given myself a whole load of new headaches.

My brothers FRST is also on the .36 and makes over 200bhp.

Ah right. Magical turbos.

[Oranoco]

Nothing magical about them at all mate just proof you don't need half the hype kit people bleat about. All figures were recorded on a DynoDynamics rolling road so the figures are about as good as you will get for accuracy.

[saqmaster]

I only go by engine dyno figures and tests...

[Oranoco]

Why? So you can discount figures you may not like to hear? Dyno Dynamics rolling roads are just about as good and accurate as they get. (Oh and my mate Mike is the UK distibuter for them )

[saqmaster]

So when the back pressure before the turbine is twice your boost pressure at only 210bhp, you think there's a lot more scope for that turbine?

[Oranoco]

Without testing I can't comment. I can comment on the fact that we have built several cars using the .36 housing and all recording over 200bhp which you are saying isn't possible. You're wrong fella, sorry

At a point over 200bhp you will need to change to a .48 (I found 248bhp to be my limit) but changing to it has opened a new set of problems to overcome and for the time being depsit e having more power my car is slower

[saqmaster]

Oh it's possible.. It just depends if you want to be proper or not. Running excessive back pressures (and hence retaining lots more heat in the engine, potentially leading to failure depending on what you're doing exactly) is not my idea of how to build/spec. an engine.

Anyway, my recommendation is a 0.48 A/R. Yours is a 0.36. Let's move on

[Oranoco]

Well many track days and top speed runs for various car mags has shown no failures whatsoever.

Agreed though we won't agree on this so it's time to move on.