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by **bcracknell** on Fri Jun 15, 2001 3:23 pm

Ok guys & gals, I'm after your thoughts on what conversion to do to my FRST as it's mileage is slowly creeping closer to 150k I need to plan for the near future. Options are below, what do you think?

1. Re-build my existing engine - possibyl rebore, re-bild the head & renew any worn parts.
2. Re-build my existing engine - new everything, low comp pistons short throw crank etc.
3. Buy a SE 1900 and have it fitted
4. But a PE System 2 and have it fitted
5. Convert to 2l ZVH - somehow! what's involved and whats the cost?

looking forward to your comments - could be interesting.

Bren

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by **Quantum** on Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:04 pm

The only one of the above I would personally avoid would be the PE System 2 engine as I believe this one bores out the standard engine to 1.9l were as the SE conversion uses a 1.9l block to start with. Having said that I've not heard of any problems with the PE conversion, just personal perference.

Then again I am hoping to have a 2l ZVH myself, but that because I want more torque :grin:

Regards,
Stephen

by **bassboy** on Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:55 pm

Steer well clear of the PE system 2 m8!!!!! the cylinder walls get to thin with the amount that they bore out the engines....this is not good!!! I know the guy who does the conversions for them and hes seen cases where there has been a crack in the bottom end that goes from cyliner one all the way to number 4!!!! This is [ERRR] the walls are too thin!

The PE system 2 engines can apparently handle upto 22psi or something.....which they can......for 2 mins!! when they put the car on the rollers, they turn the boost up over 20psi then once they have the 250+bhp figure, they turn it back down again [ERRR] they know themselves that the engine cant handle the pressure!

If u wanna rebuild ur engine, make sure u do it properly, replaceing [ERRR] worn out parts...even parts that are on their way out! Or if u want ur engine to last for ages and make it practically bullit proof, go for steel conrods etc etc...but thats gonna be REALLY expensive!!!!

The Specialist engines 1.9block is the most reliable out of the 1900cc's to go for as the block is originally a 1900cc so the walls of the block arent thin.

the 2L zetec will the the most powerful and torquey engine out of the lot but will cost a fair bit of money...but u'll have all the power that u could possibly want along with all that extra torque to help u that much more pulling wise!

what sort of monbey have u got available?

bassboy

by **iceman** on Fri Jun 15, 2001 9:45 pm

Just go 4 e best 2.0L ZVH save all e hassle n get e best of e lots. After which, put in a hybrid or nox :eek:

by **bcracknell** on Mon Jun 18, 2001 12:38 pm

bassboy,
I've go the cash to get either the PE system 2 or the SE 1900, but I dare say that's enough to do a ZVH conversion. I've read up a bit on the ZVH and it sounds a bit complicated - blocking up oilways, tapping holes in the block etc. (although I'm happy to do it) and I quite like the idea of ordering an engine, driving down to SE and getting it fitted in a day and having a warranty should anything go wrong!!

Do you know what's involved exactly in a ZVH conversion?

by **bassboy** on Mon Jun 18, 2001 1:03 pm

bracknell, i know what ur saying about the money, but if u want all the low down grunt where u'll normally get all the turbo lag, u should go for the zetec [ERRR] of the amount of torque that they produce.

Another thing that i agree with u with is the blocking oil galleries etc etc, but look at it this way....its running alright so far in everyones cars so the engine must be alright.

As for what u have to do with the zvh conversion, check out http://www.jimhearne.co.uk/zvh.htm its got everything u need to know right there...hope it helps.

which one u reckon u'll go for??

bassboy

by **bcracknell** on Mon Jun 18, 2001 3:29 pm

bassboy,
After speaking to specialised engines earlier today and finding out they now do a stage 3 1900+ I'm going for that! should be ok, doubt I'll really notice the lag - havn't done yet!
sound's like a good conversion from what everyone's said, get a 12 month warranty and they'll only have the car for 2 days. I'll have it ready for Trax with a bit of luck! u going?

by **fiesta_fras** on Mon Jun 18, 2001 10:09 pm

let me know when u goto spec eng i practically live ther, they are top guys down ther

by **bcracknell** on Mon Jun 18, 2001 10:23 pm

fiesta_fras,
I get paid tommorow so I'm ordering it sometime in the afternoon, so I'm told it'll be 2 weeks till it can be fitted and will take 2 days. I'll let you know nearer the time and might see you there. what spec. is your fezzy?

by **fiesta_fras** on Tue Jun 19, 2001 4:59 pm

found the post now, i did ask u then :rolleyes:

@ myself

mine was an 1100 hcs now a stage 3 HCS more like 1200, goes like an XR2 and has a rather nice exhaust roar due to gas flowing etc.

ill hav to meet u ther when u drop off /pick up ur car

by **bcracknell** on Tue Jun 19, 2001 5:05 pm

was goign to phone up and order it today but pay hasn't gone in yet, so I'll try for tommorow. shoud be 2 weeks after that.
be cool to see you there, gotta leave the car for 2 days so if there's likely to be much going on I might stay in the area and check it out with a couple of mates.

what's there to do round there? much on during the week?

by **bcracknell** on Tue Jun 19, 2001 5:18 pm

fiesta_fras, do you fancy a nice set of FRST bonnet vents for you lovely looking motor? finish it off well nice.....

by **fiesta_fras** on Tue Jun 19, 2001 10:52 pm

thursday nite has a good garage nite in basildon, ill hav to show u around a bit if u can bare being shown around in a slow hcs eninged car :smile:

by **bcracknell** on Wed Jun 20, 2001 12:38 pm

after looking at your site it doesn't sound too bad, bet it'll beat most 2i's and n0va's...

by **bassboy** on Thu Jun 21, 2001 9:48 pm

bcracknell, how much is it setting u back? could u find out a few things for me plz?

bassboy

by JJ on Fri Jun 22, 2001 12:26 pm

The PE engine does indeed have a reputation for not 'staying the distance', and one test I remember reading about reported that the PE System Two conversion on an XR2 produced no more power than a standard 1600 after a year!! And as for fitting a turbo to them...*LOL*

The SE 1900 has an excellent reputation. Ahmed has done quite a few ERST/FRST conversions/mappings with this spec (both T2 and T3) and they are good for 250-280bhp and really fly! Be warned however that the T2 strangles the 1900, so a T3 is a must! (.48/60 spec). A big valve head and custom cam work well with the SE 1900 too. In NA format (I had one in my XR2) they have monster torque and are still super fast - like driving a V8 in town...you could leave it in 5th all day and it'd still pull hard :devil:

Ze-VH conversions. A lot of hassle, but very popular. Ian Howell is the best person to ask, though Ahmed Bayjoo will happily build you one! Rumour has it that the CVH head is quite restrictive on the Zetec bottom end (air-flow wise) so there's not much in it when it comes to a 1900 CVH vs. 1800/2100 Ze-VH, and the 1900 is a much easier option, along with being far more subtle (it's a 1600 block occifer!) :grin:

The ultimate is 2.1 16V Zetec turbo - the new generation Cossie engine, if you like! :devil:

by **sunnyFRST** on Sat Jun 23, 2001 2:09 am

On 2001-06-22 12:26, JJ wrote:
Rumour has it that the CVH head is quite restrictive on the Zetec bottom end (air-flow wise) so there's not much in it when it comes to a 1900 CVH vs. 1800/2100 Ze-VH.

Yeah Yeah - Whatever! - Get your dollers out - The top dogs that really do know what they are talking about laughed when I told them about your statment above! (Just cause you can't go for the Zetec doesn't mean you can compare it with those 1900 CVH's!) - We'll see - rumours are litterally rumours - lets get the FACTS hey! - lol
:grin:

Sunny.

by **bassboy** on Sat Jun 23, 2001 12:22 pm

Like Sunny says....'rumours are rumours'. that aint really true JJ, i understand where ur coming from though [ERRR] theres only a certain amount of air u can get flowing through something...everything has limits...but the limit of the CVH head is VERY high!! u can get HUGE amounts air-flow into it...as people have proved in the past.

Spend some money on the CVH head and it will be MUCH more than up to the job no probs!

bassboy

by **Excursion** on Sat Jun 23, 2001 6:04 pm

The 1600 CVH head flows VERY well! But the volumetric efficiency of an 8v head is never going to be as ood as the 16v.

by JJ on Sat Jun 23, 2001 6:32 pm

Sunny - *LOL* - I -knew- you'd just have to post a reply to that....so who -exactly- did you ask then? Which "top dogs" are you referring to?!

"Just cuz you can't go for the Zetec..." - I could go for a bleedin' Tuscan V8 if I really wanted to!! :devil:

There's nowt stopping me going 1900 CVH, 2100 Z-VH, 16V Zetec :grin:

I think a little head-to-head challenge is in order with my mate's 1900 T3 vs. your 2.1 Z-VH as it is now....I think you'll find it a very close race!! North Weald/Santa Pod - bring it on!!

Bassboy/Sunny - anyone can throw sh*t loads of money at a problem and get results! Racers spend fortunes on developing engines and squeezing every last bhp out of them! Don't get me wrong, what Sunny is having built is superb and should be one of the quickest FRSTs around :cool:

But, there does become a point where the power/torque is just too much for the humble chassis :grin:

by **bassboy** on Sat Jun 23, 2001 9:32 pm

JJ, i totally agree with u on that one...about the chasis not being able to hack it...but hey, fully strengthen it and u should be alright...to a certain degree. whats been done to ur m8s motor??

bassboy

by JJ on Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:53 pm

The spec goes along the lines of head work, cam, low compression 1900, T3 (.48/60 trim), S/S custom exhaust, Ahmed mapping, all in a lightweight shell running 15" wheels (so no loss of speed, as with 17s! :grin:

). It should be a fairly even match for the current spec of Sunny's mota (but no match for his new engine.....I reckon he'll be at Warp Speed 10 Mr.Zulu with that in the car!!)

by **bcracknell** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:45 am

Bassboy,
about 2.5k give or take. what do you want me to find out for you?

by **bassboy** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 11:52 am

JJ, dont forget with its current spec...its whooping Scoobys, Porsches all other turbos etc that ive seen him race! should be fun if they race!

bcracknell, could u find out what sort of pistons are in the engine, what sort of boost u can run, erm....what sort of bhp we looking at with the 1900cc, what will be modded, will it be standard head or modded? got some more i things i wanna find out but not coming to mind at the mo :rolleyes:

i'll let u know :wink:

bassboy

by **bcracknell** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 1:24 pm

bassboy,
I'm not sure of the BHP but they've told me 220bhp is not unusual - which will eat cossies and scoobys between meals without ruining it's appetite!! - all depends on which stage you go for (theres also a stage 3 which includes a kent cam) They've also told me 1bar boost is fine all day long....

Take a look at their site http://www.specialisedengines.co.uk
this is copied striaght from it:

1.9 + ENGINE

07 Specification : The engine is based on the American 1850 "tall" block assembly which we modify to fit in place of any of our European CVH 1300, 1400 and 1600cc (but not 1800) engines, including derivatives such as Ginetta, Morgan, Scimitar, Lotus 7, Westfield and Quantum, and turbocharged CVH engines.

Cylinder Block : Overbored, then each bore cross hatch honed to suit each individual piston. Block face is then skimmed, completely stripped of oil gallery and core plugs. Pressure tested and thoroughly cleaned. All main bearing housings checked for ovality and line bored where necessary. Choice of bore sizes : 82.5, 82.75 or 83mm (1905 cc)

Crankshaft : American 88mm stroke. Small big end journal type. Specially developed by Ford to reduce friction. Giving gains in strength and reliability.

Oil Pump : New high flow late specification.

Con Rods : American, modified.

Pistons : 83mm American, modified.

Camshaft : XR3i profile. New followers.

Head Gasket : Heavy duty - Felpro.

Cylinder Head : Modified European. Completely reconditioned, valve guides replaced, valves and seats refaced/recut or replaced as necessary, new springs, seals and surface ground.

The complete engine includes all the above, plus reconditioned sump , pick-up pipes, new timing belt, new gaskets and cylinder head bolts. Each engine is hand built and the sole responsibility of one engine builder.

08 1.9+ STAGE 1 ENGINE : As above, but including gas flowed head. Blueprinted camshaft. Pistons and con rods fully balanced.

09 1.9+ STAGE 2 ENGINE : As full Stage 1, but including big valve head - inlet valve size 1.710" and exhaust valve size 1.500". Further cutting and throating of valve seat areas. Full engine balance included.

The above engines do not include ancillaries, such as clutch disc, clutch plate, bearing, engine mounts, hoses, clips, plugs, points etc. These are decided by you the customer at the time the engine is removed. (It may be the car has already had some new parts fitted). So please allow extra for anything required.

by **bassboy** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 1:41 pm

Sound very good...which one are u gonna go for?? if possible, could u find out what the max boost those pistons can take, and whether if we get them some of the parts they will do it for a cheaper price plz?

bassboy

by **bcracknell** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 2:42 pm

I'm going for the stage 2 as the only difference between that & stage 3 is a cam and I'll add that later, don't want to be paying £350 for a cam!!

I would imagie they'll build anything you like, I'll ask about the max boost etc. when I speak to them next.

by **BeemanFRST** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:47 pm

Fiesta_fras???
Do you think i could mail order stuff from them, like webber carbs, and that sort of stuff. :???:

Or would they just laugh at me :sad:

by **BeemanFRST** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:51 pm

Their is nothing like those specialised engine(spelling??) guys over here in this old ireland>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :sad:

by **bassboy** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 8:37 pm

cheeRS for that bcracknell, let me know whenever u find out

bassboy

by JJ on Mon Jun 25, 2001 9:43 pm

I think you'll find the extra £350 is for a big valve head! :devil:

by **fiesta_fras** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:01 pm

ill ask ian for ya beeman, what excatly u want?

by **Robz_Fester** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:34 pm

When yu're askin could you find out what he could do for a 1.4 si (PTE) as well. I know they ain't very tuneable, but if he can get a 1.1 as fast as yours he's gotta be able to do something!
Cheers Fraser.

by **sunnyFRST** on Mon Jun 25, 2001 11:01 pm

James - Are you speaking on behalf of your mate there offering me a race (with my NEW engine)? - or even my current one!?
HAHA - Geeza, lemme tell you somminm, ask Bassboy - I get absolutely millions of people asking for a race in Honda's, VW's, other FRST's and even Skyline's - they sit in my car for the first time and soon after make excuses as to why they don't wanna race anymore. Without blowing my own trumpet, until you have experienced it you just don't know. Ask Ade and Paul when they came down, even then there were 4 people in the car with a bass-box in the boot that weigh's the same as two other people all along with a slipping clutch - even then I am sure you would of heard their reactions. I am sure you mates Fiesta is quick, but PLEASE don't bring me down to that "my one's or my mates one's quicker than yours!" mentality- especially knowing some of the spec of my new engine.
For those who know me, will know that I never say no to a race in the past, however I really havn't got anything to prove to anyone - the spec speaks for itself - nuff said. All it takes is some geeza to smack into me and say sorry while we are racing resulting in what..... a smashed up car which isn't even your fault however due to the crappy driving of the other individual who's bringing on a race to try and prove something (I've played that game before and have seen it happen too many times).
If you seriously knew anything about hi-perfomance tuning and specs - after you find out what my new engine consists of - you wouldn't even bring this topic up!!

You say - "Bassboy/Sunny - anyone can throw sh*t loads of money at a problem and get results!" - are you saying that I am throwing money at a problem? - if you are, then boy... what do you know about my car to judge it as a problem ? - You aint gotta a clue!!! - if it was not indeeded as I took it then explain exactly what you mean!

Sort it out mate! :grin:

Sunny.

by **bassboy** on Tue Jun 26, 2001 12:10 pm

JJ, what Sunny is saying about his car is true...i remember one guy who wanted to go for a spin in Sunnys car came out holding his stomach and wanting to be sick!!! his car is well and truely something else! i aint sat in nething as quick as his Fiesta!

But im sure with whatever ur mate has done to his motor it must be quick...the spec sounds as though it is. and goodluck to ur m8 [ERRR] is sounds as though he has a very quick car on his hands.

we'll just have to wait for one of the best Fiesta's.....to get even better!! :grin:

Sunny, [ERRR] news about saturday??

bassboy

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