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by **festajon** on Wed Dec 12, 2001 10:35 pm

Has anyone got these on their car? i know everyone says 'they are solid' and 'i know someone with a rally car who's got 'em....' but are they really that bad? i should change my lower arms but thought about this first. Will i really feel everything on the road through my car if i put 'em on?

Cheers

by **Fezzy Turbo** on Thu Dec 13, 2001 4:04 am

Yes.....you will feel everything. I only use the poly bushes on my anti-roll bars and i am getting some for my exhaust :smile:

If you have lowered your car, you would be better using the std bushes in my opinion.

cheers :smile:

by **JamieFRST** on Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:32 pm

Ive got them on my front anti-roll bars, and you do feel everything!!!

by JJ on Thu Dec 13, 2001 1:14 pm

Weird! My mate has Poly bushes front and rear on his FRST (front - anti roll bar, rear - beam/anti-roll bar) and they're damn good - no real harshness in the ride at all!

by **Fezzy Turbo** on Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:14 pm

On 2001-12-13 12:14, JJ wrote:
Weird! My mate has Poly bushes front and rear on his FRST (front - anti roll bar, rear - beam/anti-roll bar) and they're damn good - no real harshness in the ride at all!

It would depend on what kind of suspension and what it is set at.

cheers :smile:

by JJ on Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:43 pm

On 2001-12-13 14:14, Fezzy Turbo wrote:
It would depend on what kind of suspension and what it is set at.
cheers

Indeed! So is the verdict that with std suspension poly bushes are worse than with uprated suspension? My mate has a similar setup to me - Konis/Puma rear beam, though I run a higher spring rate

by **Fezzy Turbo** on Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:18 am

I would say poly bushes with uprated suspension is a big no, it makes your car too hard.
You need some travel so weight can transfer from wheel to wheel so you get grip, if it is too hard your car will just bouce all over the road.

cheers :smile:

by **fiesta_fras** on Fri Dec 14, 2001 6:23 am

Just get new ford bushes every 20k, they are pennies, and just go for poly anti roll bushes as they dont wear much anyway and u dont really feel it unless ur cornering hard,ragging, racing etc, and thats when u wanna feel it for betta handling feel etc.

by JJ on Fri Dec 14, 2001 8:56 am

On 2001-12-14 03:18, Fezzy Turbo wrote:
I would say poly bushes with uprated suspension is a big no, it makes your car too hard.

That's the thing though.....I couldn't believe how compliant the ride was in my mate's FRST, kitted out with very uprated springs/dampers and kitted out with poly bushes!! :eek:

by **Fezzy Turbo** on Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:01 pm

JJ.....again it depends on what kit your mate has......something like Bilstien are hard enough anyway.......i have found my Spax PSX kit hard enough.
Something like Jamex (YUCH!!) could be softer and might be better with poly bushes.

cheers :smile:

by **festajon** on Fri Dec 14, 2001 10:57 pm

I've had a look into the wishbones, and see that (i think) 2 of the 3 bushes come out of the wishbone. I know i'm being tight but can't i just replace these 2? i'd rather pay £20 (guessing £5 each) for 4 new ones than £140 for 2 new lower arms.

I think someone said here once that Ford don't sell the bushes seperately for the front wishbones and can only be bought as a complete whole new lower arm. Where can i get them from if ford don't do 'em?!?

I know people will say just get the whole arm but they've 'only' done 20k incl 10k on lowered suspension. Just starting to get a bit worn i think and feeling a few more bumps than should be!!!

Cheers

Jon

by **Project** on Sat Dec 15, 2001 10:23 am

Lower arms can be had new from most motor factors for £30 (not mates rates either).

Halfords sell the bushes separately but they must be pressed in and for hard driving probably won't stay seated properly for long.

Superflex want £147.60 inc VAT and delivery for 4 bushes - phone 07000 787373 if you're feeling flush.

Someone should pay me for all this free advertising... :rolleyes:

by **rs van dan** on Sat Dec 15, 2001 12:20 pm

does any1 else find that there bottom arm bushs dont last very long ,is there any differance between engine sizes and the botom arms could be that my van has still got 1.1 ones on it

by **Excursion** on Sat Dec 15, 2001 12:41 pm

1.1 bushes are different to larger engined models yes - 1100 ones dont last 3 weeks if you drive hard :S

the thing to look out for if you're splashing out on new bushes is the ball joint - make sure you only replace the bushes in a lower arm if you have the removeable (bolt on) ball joint type! otherwise when the ball joint goes you have to get a lower arm anyway.

by **Project** on Sat Dec 15, 2001 1:36 pm

Would I be right in thinking Ford sell the ball joints as a service replacement part - drill out the rivets, prise the old b/j out and bolt the new one in??

by **festajon** on Sat Dec 15, 2001 5:01 pm

Right then. Gonna go for it then. I got an XR2i steering rack ready to go in so i may as well do the track rod ends as well. what i now need to know is:

1. Shall i get xr2i track rod ends and xr2i wishbones or will this fob my handling? (it's already lowered 35mm and has xr2i brake setup)
2. Are xr2i track rod ends the same as 1.1 models?
3. If i do get xr2i wishbones, which ones do i get as Ford quote 6 different types or something :aaah:

Cheers!

by **Project** on Sat Dec 15, 2001 9:59 pm

Most important with the wishbones is they match in every respect. At the shop stick a biro through both the bush holes and put the two together - they should be identical.

The pin diameter of the ball joint, I'm told, varies, so make sure they're right for the car - I'm running XR2i 8v lower arms on my (1.1 spec) hubs with no major probs to report - these are the 2 rivet design (well, I was told they're for the 2i).

Rod ends are year dependent, not model, for all models, split between pre- and post-94 models (non and Airbag models).

Not sure the 2i rack will help unless yours is as far gone as mine (sideways onto the A127 tonight :rolleyes:

)

Al. HtH stands for Hopefully this Hinders in my case ... :grin:

by **festajon** on Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:05 am

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by **festajon** on Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:05 am

Cheers Al! U is one knowledgeable guy!

What i'll do is go to a motor factors, just get all the bits for an xr2i for 1991 model (tho knowing my luck Ford made 135 changes to the lower arms, etc in this year!!)

The only reason i got an XR2i rack is cos apparently my one is bent according to my dodgy local mechanic, and so i thought as a lot of the sports model stuff is up-rated i may as well see if it's any better and plus i got it for a tenner with a good UJ on it and the track rod ends and most the steering column too!!! bargain!

Cheers

by **Excursion** on Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:25 pm

A BENT RACK!!?

fudge me how do you bend a rack and leave the car in one piece :???:

Yeah get xr everything!

the best lower arms are the mk3.5 ones with 3 rivets, I think turbo ones have 3 rivets also

by **MarkFRST** on Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:05 pm

FRST's have 3 rivet ones yeah. :smile:

Fords don't sell the ball joint on it's own, so you can't drill out the rivets and fit a new one unless you go for a pattern part. :aaah:

Mark

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by **daz** on Thu Dec 20, 2001 4:56 pm

i belive ian howell of fiesta frenzy does adjustable ball joints on the wish bones he sell not sure of the price or his number but i guess they wont be cheap.
guess who just split his ball joint rubber when removeing the wish bone. (sh!t).
daz :sad:

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