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[UHF]

I've asked various questions as some of you guys may know and I appreciate all your replies.

However I'm getting conflicting answers sometimes, I have a knackered FRST engine apparently and want to eventually run around 180hp safely, what is the solution???? I've been recommened to buy a Stage 3 engine and run standard which some people say is unreliable, others say get a Stage 1 engine and run higher boost.

I have the money to spend, but I dont wanna go mad, can anyone shed any light on this, what should I do, my engine still feels fast but I dont want to spend bucks on a 110k engine.

I know I said 180hp, after seeing some of the figures people quote this doesnt sound much bearing in mind you can hit 160hp with a standard engine and a chip.

Please help, my budget was previously £2500 but i'm prepared to raise that if its required to get this power with reliability, surely it can be done?

[bcracknell]

two words: Specialised Engines

give Ian a call on 01375 378606
or take a look at http://www.specialisedengines.co.uk

[UHF]

hey, yup, I already called them, was gonna line me up a 1600cvh on stage 3 for £2100 they reckon it would have 180hp and be reliable, and I posted the spec on here and everyone slated it saying it wouldnt get 180hp and wouldnt be reliable blah blah blah, but up until now they have been my best option.

[bcracknell]

well your obviously gonna need a chip and some beige injectors to get that but don't see whats wrong with the spec.

I have one of their 1.9 stage 3's and am well happy with it. waiting at the moment to get a new ECU though to run it properly but believe me it flys!

see if you can get hold of Fraser (fiestafras) as he has had his engine done by them and I beleive Ian is supposed to be sorting out a 1800 Zetec for him.

[fiesta_fras]

yep got an engine tuned by them at the mo and another on the way.

no complaints had 22k of trouble free motoring on a seuriosly modded HCS engine which should really have blown up by now! but is still sweet as day 1!!

01375 378606

when its anythg mechanical on an engine they are the daddies

[UHF]

They didnt mention beige injectors for the 1.6 stage 3, what kind of power do you get from the 1.9 stage 3, is it running standard boost.

Also will standard ecu and a unichip be sufficient to run a 1.6 stage 3?

[bcracknell]

you'll still need to go the standard tuning route but you won't be so limited by the strength of the engine.
you will be able to run fine on your standard ECU and injectors, however you want extra power and as the engine is designed to be more efficient at getting air flowing in and exhaust flowing out you'll want to try and cram more air in to make use of the extra efficiency - probably by turning up the boost - but you'll need more fuel to go with the extra air or it'll be running lean which is very bad news, so you'll need some bigger flowing injectors (usually called beige).

this means you need to be able to control the new injectors with a new chip to re-map the ecu to make use of them.
If you get Beige's, a chip to run them and have a decent exhaust and air filter. combined with the stage 3 engine you should manage a GENUINE 180bhp easy.
Don't take to much notice of peoples claims of power just from a chip (a 195 superchip won't give you 195bhp just by plugging it in)

[UHF]

interesting, is it best to do injectors when i get the engine because obviously its another chunk of money when I'm already paying for the engine, but i'll do it at the time if it'll be cheaper.

what kind of output could I expect with a stage 3 on a K&N cone with a magnex 4" SS zorst on standard boost? because they reckon 180hp!!!

[bcracknell]

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[bcracknell]

is your turbo a standard T2?

personally I don't see why 180bhp shouldn't be acheivable with bigger injectors and a decent chip to re-map and control the new injectors. It'll obviously involve running higher boost but as it's a new, stronger engine that won't be a bad thing.

I recon for maximum power this should be your route of tuning.

1. Get engine
2. Get bigger injectors + chip/ re-map to suit with boost turned up.
3. Get a bigger turbo or a hybrid T2 to run more boost and get it set up again.
4. Bigger intercooler

after that lot 200bhp should be coming close.

maybe think about a unichip, IanFRST is pretty keen and has one as they can be easily re-mapped for every mod that's done and his 1.6 FRST runs 200bhp......

Unfortunatly the engine itself is just one peice of the rather expensive jigsaw!


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[UHF]

Interesting, i'll probably do this, I take it your list means S3 engine and not just a standard one?

In which case I'll get the engine, run it on standard ECU, then safe some money for the next round of mods, my big question is what kind of power I can expect by just putting in the 1.6 stage 3 and leaving it on standard boost? If its quick enough for me I may leave it alone and not do anymore

[285Andy]

just curios like but what do they do to make it a stage 3 unit?

[Paul R]

I made 183bhp with:-
standard 1600 cvh and T2
165 Superchip
Pace chargecooler
16psi actuator
Magnex s/s and 57i
Kent 35k cam (which wasn't worth it!)
Rollin' roaded and setup properly!

If you are using the Standard T2, head work and cams will make very little difference..

Get a standard rebuild done and spent your money on things that make the difference such as the chargecooler. Standard injectors can fuel 180bhp so no need to uprate them or the pump, the standard cam is very well matched to the T2 you could possibly gain from a kent31/32.. not the 35k as that is suited to the T3, bigger valves and all that polishing crap will make little difference if you are only after 180bhp, don't get conned by the tuners..
Or do the T3 conversion and get an uprated intercooler..
It costs enough to break the 200bhp mark and even more to break the 250 mark which is what i'm in the process of doing!

[gooner boy]

thats almost the same as me (barring chargecooler tho thinking about it), when i get my superchip fitted and set up by powerenginnering

Paul R does a chargecooler make that much difference of say an extra 20 bhp. did you have standard intercooler and standard t2 on there?????

[Paul R]

The charge cooler allowed me to safely run more boost 14/15psi, but the injectors where flat out so 180-185 would prob be the most you will get out of standard fueling. Plus the air is a lot cooler so it was much more powerful anyway... highly recomended

[gooner boy]

kool, cheers