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by **fiestakingfisher** on Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:10 pm

mmogenius :louise these are the very same disks that you were going to get... but i payed £45 a side...

Better luck next time

they were still there 12 months later?

:o:o:o

aw well, at least the baxtered didn't get the £200 they wanted for them

by **FezzR** on Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:42 pm

is it 10 mm wider than a normal beam or a frst beam?
as im sure brummy boy pointed out the frst beam is norrower than the smaller n/a engined ones?

by **AdrianFRST** on Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:16 pm

The Zetec-S beam is identical in width to the FRST one, which in turn is identical width to an XR2i one.

Base model ones are the same as well.

The track increase comes from the Focus stub axle assembly.

by **dannyboy** on Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:31 pm

Ade one last question, trying to get as much info as poss.
I plan to use alloys from a cougar, which I have been told have an offset of et46. If I was to run these with the existing drums 11mm spacers would be needed

. So if the stub axle assembly spaces it out by 10mm each side does that cancel out the need for spacers?
I'm not sure, kinda learning as I go along :lol:

Dan

by **fiesta boy** on Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:32 pm

as ade says the beam its self is the same but the rear drums on the base models cause them 2 have wider track at ther rearthan 2i/ frst

by **AdrianFRST** on Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:38 pm

dannyboy :Ade one last question, trying to get as much info as poss.
I plan to use alloys from a cougar, which I have been told have an offset of et46. If I was to run these with the existing drums 11mm spacers would be needed . So if the stub axle assembly spaces it out by 10mm each side does that cancel out the need for spacers?
I'm not sure, kinda learning as I go along

Dan

Yes.

by **8skellerns** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 8:09 am

Surely you are losing the rear anti roll bar? Or doesnt this matter?

by **AdrianFRST** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 8:16 am

MarkFRST :
sphinx :Jus 1 more thing. wot about ARB's? z-s doesnt have 1 does it?

If you put the beams up on their end, and hold the bottom, you can twist the frst beam with arb quite alot,
do the same with the mk5 beam and it won't twist at all, its sooo much stiffer.

As Ade says, it doesn't need an arb.

by **EvilFranky** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:49 pm

This is fantastic!

Hmm, so then...i have to have 5mm spacers on the back to keep my tyres from scraping the spring cups, so does this mean i can just take them away cos they will be spaced out 10mm cos of the brakes?

And

@ £180 quid...bargain.

by **CarismaDave** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:59 pm

Most importantly...does it handle better now?

As you have changed to rear discs do you uprate the Master Cylinder or leave as is? I'm wondering whether standard is good enough for rear disc set-up and 4-pots at the front?!

Dave

by **EvilFranky** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:15 pm

Yeah, does it handle significantly better then? Do you really notice it in normal driving?

by **AdrianFRST** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:39 pm

EvilFranky :Hmm, so then...i have to have 5mm spacers on the back to keep my tyres from scraping the spring cups, so does this mean i can just take them away cos they will be spaced out 10mm cos of the brakes?

Yes.

Handling, don't know yet cos it's still up in the air with the gearbox to be swapped but it's a forgone conclusion that it will be much better. The car already stuck like glue round corners (IH lower arms, front strut brace), so with this and a rear strut it should be awesome.

I've spoke to people who have had the Puma rear beam conversion (£450 and not as stiff as this one - ooops!!) and they say it makes a huge difference so it's looking good.

by **AdrianFRST** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:41 pm

Master cylinder upgrade is on the cards, but we need to do this with the brake lines first:

That way we can try out all sort of cylinders regardless of how the fixed metal piping is routed.

by **MikeyXR2i** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:54 pm

Just for peoples info, when i changed to disks up the back, i had to change the master cylinder to a MK5 Escort item, including the servo.
The brakes are stunning.

by **EvilFranky** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:59 pm

Well if thats the case then i can see me doing this in the very near future...a Mk3 Fezzy out handling a Saxo/106 Gti anyone?

by **AdrianFRST** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 7:06 pm

EvilFranky :Well if thats the case then i can see me doing this in the very near future...a Mk3 Fezzy out handling a Saxo/106 Gti anyone?

Run rings round 'em.

You ain't seen nothing yet...

This is one area of development and modification that's been almost completely ignored. People have build 400hp+ Zetec Turbos and fitted 19s, but no-ones really pushed the boundaries of what can be done with the chassis setup.

by **EvilFranky** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 7:12 pm

Any chance of some help locating the parts? Anyone?

by **KINGHORN** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 7:18 pm

DOES IT HAVE TO BE A ZETEC-S rear beam or will any mk5 rear beam work or even mk4

by **AdrianFRST** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 7:54 pm

Mk4 won't fit, shock mounts are totally different.

Has to be a very late mk5.

by **snake** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:12 pm

mmogenius :there is no need for a guide mate it's really simple all you have to do is bolt everything on you cant go wrong seriousaly you cant...

but that's besides the point....

DONT copy me you buggers

he he he

llama why do u think i didn`t tell no one :lol:

, had bits ready to be fitted to my car over 1 and half years ago

, project>>

, few xtra mods bein made though :wink:

by **EvilFranky** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:20 pm

What other stuff are you having done like Snake?

by **snake** on Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:22 pm

just stuff

lol, some peeps know, should be done by the end of the year if i get me arse in gear!, been toooooo long now, 1 year 9 months off the road :aaah:

by **Gaz7** on Wed Jul 23, 2003 12:10 am

Snake - i bought you those parts a very VERY long time ago now..... do some work and fit them instead of just sleeping/eating all of the time :wink:

Gareth

by **EvilFranky** on Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:32 pm

Just been quoted 200 quid for the bits required...posted. Not to bad me thinks! Now then, lets see about raising the cash :wink:

by **Stoned** on Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:33 pm

Where from Evil Franky?

by **EvilFranky** on Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:13 pm

Sorry that was meant to say 250 quid delivered...which i still dont see as being too bad.

Stoned, that was a quote from these i found on the net...

F.M.S Spares LTD

01708 522207

by **zetec69** on Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:28 pm

I assume this means the 2.0L Focus rear stub axles/discs/calipers/pads will fit directly onto a mk4 Fez rear beam. Adrian?? :-?

Brad

by **EvilFranky** on Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:13 pm

Question...will a brake biasing valve be needed to set the rear brakes?

I don't wanna be pressing the pedal for my back end to swing oot!

by **AdrianFRST** on Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:20 pm

zetec69 :I assume this means the 2.0L Focus rear stub axles/discs/calipers/pads will fit directly onto a mk4 Fez rear beam. Adrian??

Brad

I don't know if the stud pattern is the same on the mk4 as it is on the late mk5s. It's possible that they changed it when the new beam design was introduced. You'd have to check somehow, if the breakers has all the bits try it out before you buy.

by **MikeyXR2i** on Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:22 pm

the fiesta's already have em, just look behind your battery, there is 2 of em bolted to the inner wing. They adjusts the pressure to the back brakes.

by **AdrianFRST** on Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:23 pm

EvilFranky :Question...will a brake biasing valve be needed to set the rear brakes?

I don't wanna be pressing the pedal for my back end to swing oot!

The proportioning valves (silver cylinders on the inner wing) are supposed to stop that happening, but they might only be set to work with the std drums.

The best idea is to find a large carpark and in the wet jam the anchors on with the car cornering. The idea being that if it's gonna lock the backs first you'll spin but not hit anything, nor cause tyre damage due to the wet surface.

by **EvilFranky** on Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:37 pm

I'll wait till Mmo has tried it first lol :wink:

This really is a fantastic mod...vastly improved handling, better breaking, makes me get happy in my pants

by **Jon_mk4** on Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:57 am

I'm running Focus stub axles and calipers with my rear disc conversion (although over FRP discs and using the FRP handbrake cable).

My rear beam set up isn't as stiff as the ZS stuff (and especially not as stiff as the Type R with it's rear strut brace) yet there was a notable difference and improvement in cornering grip and general handling characteristics that can only be attributed to the increased rear track.

One word of warning, though. Don't even think about doing this conversion unless you've ground your arches down to next to nothing and are running a stiff suspension set up.

by TJ on Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:43 am

Why does that need to be done then? Is that for mk3 aswell or mk4?

by **Jon_mk4** on Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:30 pm

Unless you've rolled or ground your arches, it'll catch. If you look at my sig you can see how far out the wheel sits in comparison to the rear arch.

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Zetec-S rear beam and Focus rear discs on the Type-R

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