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Postby bassboy on Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:17 pm

Hi everyone, what sort of power do you think my engine will be producing?

spec is:

2L Mondeo zetec 16v
2048cc
CP Racing Low comp pistons
Longer Steel H section Rods
Area Six Zero Loss inlet manifold
Area Six Custom exhaust manifold
Pectel T2 engine management
Vulcan Engineering Stage 3 big valve head, opened up ports etc etc
Focus 2000 head gasket
RS1800 Throttle body
3 Cossie 2wd Intercoolers
Ex Indycar 1000cc injectors
Cossie 2wd adjustable FPR
T34 turbo with .63 exhaust housing

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Postby GavStyli on Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:29 pm

alot! :Q

what boost u hoping to run?
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Postby bassboy on Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:38 pm

GavStyli :alot! :Q

what boost u hoping to run?


1.2 bar low boost
2.xbar high boost

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Postby chumkila on Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:45 pm

Geezer that engine is going to make some serious power! :D
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Postby bassboy on Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:52 pm

chumkila :Geezer that engine is going to make some serious power! :D


any guesstimates? power [ERRR] be revealed within the next 2 weeks

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Postby essexrsturbo on Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:16 pm

as i know from my old engine its not about how much power that the spec will mak its how much power can things like the clutch and gearbox take.

also have you got a tubualer and custom inlet?
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Postby heeman10 on Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:46 pm

All depends on what boost you can and will run and what CR you have! 2.x bar? I'd guess anything from about 370 to 440bhp.
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Postby bassboy on Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:25 pm

essexrsturbo :as i know from my old engine its not about how much power that the spec will mak its how much power can things like the clutch and gearbox take.

also have you got a tubualer and custom inlet?


stage 2+ MTX75...may soon have a plate diff if i find the ATB doesnt cope well enough

Clutch is an AP Racing Focus RS Paddle clutch for now...want to see how it copes and take it from there...i think a twin plate might be on order if it dont like it lol

yes custom inlet and exhaust from Ian Howell :D

heeman...i know the comp but not saying what it is...and i have a feeling the engine will consume everything the turbo can throw at it :)

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Postby Oranoco on Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:49 pm

Who's dynoing it?

I know I keep saying it but it really does make a huge difference to the figure you see.

On a proper dyno on high boost I would expect to see maybe 320bhp quite possibly more.
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Postby Avinitlarge on Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:56 pm

1000cc injectors, Why that big?? Does it idle properly with them
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Postby bassboy on Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:16 pm

Oranoco :Who's dynoing it?

I know I keep saying it but it really does make a huge difference to the figure you see.

On a proper dyno on high boost I would expect to see maybe 320bhp quite possibly more.


SCS Harvey Gibbs' dyno....TUV approved LOL

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Postby bassboy on Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:17 pm

Avinitlarge :1000cc injectors, Why that big?? Does it idle properly with them


so i dont have any fuelling issues with injectors reaching max duty cycle :D

and i know it will idle sweet as on those injectors :D

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Postby heeman10 on Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:55 pm

Secret CR :lol: Image Image

CR influences power, so I'll leave my rough guesstimate as 380bhp.
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Postby Avinitlarge on Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:42 pm

bassboy :
Avinitlarge :1000cc injectors, Why that big?? Does it idle properly with them


so i dont have any fuelling issues with injectors reaching max duty cycle :D

and i know it will idle sweet as on those injectors :D

bassboy


To reach full duty cycle you will have to run about 700bhp
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Postby ianFRST on Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:53 pm

heeman10 :Secret CR :lol: Image Image


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

im sure you've have had guestimates from IH and who ever built the engine
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Postby Xr_Dub on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:18 pm

375BHP

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Postby garyhurn77 on Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:33 pm

350bhp 8)

maybe more :P
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Postby jdfiesta on Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:01 am

380bhp. but cracking the 400 mark would be great.
but power isnt everything. IH's engines are good for making mega torque figures
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Postby bassboy on Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:55 am

heeman10 :Secret CR :lol: Image Image

CR influences power, so I'll leave my rough guesstimate as 380bhp.


i know the comp but IH said not to say anything...so in keeping my word to him i wont say...however, like i said i know the engine will take everything thrown at it ;)

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Postby bassboy on Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:04 am

ianFRST :
heeman10 :Secret CR :lol: Image Image


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

im sure you've have had guestimates from IH and who ever built the engine


i havent really asked Ian to be honest...and i built the engine alongside Vulcan Engineering :bonkers: i have always said i wanted 350hp so i will be happy with that...anything more is a bonus..

just seeing what you all think the engine will do...i might add a slight twist to the equation later ;)

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Re: Zetec turbo power predictions?

Postby turboboss on Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:50 pm

bassboy :Hi everyone, what sort of power do you think my engine will be producing?

spec is:

2L Mondeo zetec 16v
2048cc
CP Racing Low comp pistons
Longer Steel H section Rods
Area Six Zero Loss inlet manifold
Area Six Custom exhaust manifold
Pectel T2 engine management
Vulcan Engineering Stage 3 big valve head, opened up ports etc etc
Focus 2000 head gasket
RS1800 Throttle body
3 Cossie 2wd Intercoolers
Ex Indycar 1000cc injectors
Cossie 2wd adjustable FPR
T34 turbo with .63 exhaust housing

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i must of missed something t34? this will hold you back from hitting the 400bhp mark which your engine is well capable of Exciding could Possibly do 400 on the dyno but the turbo would be on its knees.
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Postby heeman10 on Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:57 pm

The proper turbo was ditched in the last week or two. Shame, but it can always be slapped on later I'm sure :D What have you done with yours since the day at SCC Sean? I completely forgot to call you the following day :rolleyes: Sounded as though you were going to be busy anyway..
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Re: Zetec turbo power predictions?

Postby bassboy on Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:59 pm

turboboss :
bassboy :Hi everyone, what sort of power do you think my engine will be producing?

spec is:

2L Mondeo zetec 16v
2048cc
CP Racing Low comp pistons
Longer Steel H section Rods
Area Six Zero Loss inlet manifold
Area Six Custom exhaust manifold
Pectel T2 engine management
Vulcan Engineering Stage 3 big valve head, opened up ports etc etc
Focus 2000 head gasket
RS1800 Throttle body
3 Cossie 2wd Intercoolers
Ex Indycar 1000cc injectors
Cossie 2wd adjustable FPR
T34 turbo with .63 exhaust housing

cheers
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i must of missed something t34? this will hold you back from hitting the 400bhp mark which your engine is well capable of Exciding could Possibly do 400 on the dyno but the turbo would be on its knees.


i think all is cleared up lol :lol:

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Postby turboboss on Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:20 pm

heeman10 :The proper turbo was ditched in the last week or two. Shame, but it can always be slapped on later I'm sure :D What have you done with yours since the day at SCC Sean? I completely forgot to call you the following day :rolleyes: Sounded as though you were going to be busy anyway..


hi m8

yeah was busy on sunday i ran the car at the performance ford daddy thrash really good day never pushed the car that hard, ended up destroying my head gasket at times i was running 31psi silly me hit the rev limiter using nitrous which is a big no no so i did'nt expect it to last.. so on my shopping list is a wideband 02 & egt gauge not cheap but its a must, and a bigger turbo exhaust housing going from 0.64 to 0.84 i'll have to get christmas out of the way first...
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Postby gar mae on Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:18 pm

366.3bhp :D
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Postby heeman10 on Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:18 pm

turboboss :hi m8

yeah was busy on sunday i ran the car at the performance ford daddy thrash really good day never pushed the car that hard, ended up destroying my head gasket at times i was running 31psi silly me hit the rev limiter using nitrous which is a big no no so i did'nt expect it to last.. so on my shopping list is a wideband 02 & egt gauge not cheap but its a must, and a bigger turbo exhaust housing going from 0.64 to 0.84 i'll have to get christmas out of the way first...

Poor car! :aaah: I hope it's nothing but the head gasket, sounds like it got a right hammering! Any times to report?
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Postby turboboss on Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:08 pm

heeman10 :
turboboss :hi m8

yeah was busy on sunday i ran the car at the performance ford daddy thrash really good day never pushed the car that hard, ended up destroying my head gasket at times i was running 31psi silly me hit the rev limiter using nitrous which is a big no no so i did'nt expect it to last.. so on my shopping list is a wideband 02 & egt gauge not cheap but its a must, and a bigger turbo exhaust housing going from 0.64 to 0.84 i'll have to get christmas out of the way first...

Poor car! :aaah: I hope it's nothing but the head gasket, sounds like it got a right hammering! Any times to report?


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Postby heeman10 on Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:46 pm

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Postby bassboy on Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:40 am

turboboss :
heeman10 :The proper turbo was ditched in the last week or two. Shame, but it can always be slapped on later I'm sure :D What have you done with yours since the day at SCC Sean? I completely forgot to call you the following day :rolleyes: Sounded as though you were going to be busy anyway..


hi m8

yeah was busy on sunday i ran the car at the performance ford daddy thrash really good day never pushed the car that hard, ended up destroying my head gasket at times i was running 31psi silly me hit the rev limiter using nitrous which is a big no no so i did'nt expect it to last.. so on my shopping list is a wideband 02 & egt gauge not cheap but its a must, and a bigger turbo exhaust housing going from 0.64 to 0.84 i'll have to get christmas out of the way first...


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Postby BUTRE on Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:47 pm

Somewhere in the 350bhp mark. The T34 will be going to be the limiter factor... why not go GT30R for a little more bhp with less lag or even GT35R for more bhp with the same T34 lag?
















I know this new GT-R turbos are expensive! :x :x :cry: :cry:
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Postby bassboy on Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:02 pm

BUTRE :Somewhere in the 350bhp mark. The T34 will be going to be the limiter factor... why not go GT30R for a little more bhp with less lag or even GT35R for more bhp with the same T34 lag?
















I know this new GT-R turbos are expensive! :x :x :cry: :cry:


what power do you think would be achievable with either of those?

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Postby BUTRE on Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:27 pm

bassboy :
BUTRE :Somewhere in the 350bhp mark. The T34 will be going to be the limiter factor... why not go GT30R for a little more bhp with less lag or even GT35R for more bhp with the same T34 lag?
















I know this new GT-R turbos are expensive! :x :x :cry: :cry:


what power do you think would be achievable with either of those?

bassboy


You can go GT3076R with .63 A/R ex housing and will give you 380bhp or so with less 1700rpm lag then the old T34.

The GT3582R with .63 A/R ex housing will get you 400bhp minimum! With this one... .82 A/R ex housing unleashes high rpm power :wink:

Of course, the rest of your engine MUST be specced to coupe with this numbers...
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Postby BUTRE on Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:30 pm

Also...

buy the next PF mag issue... january 2007... there's a good article regarding the new T34R by turbo dynamics and it's dyno tested on a YB and also compared to the old T34 with .63 A/R ex housing.
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Postby turboboss on Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:01 am

bassboy :
turboboss :
heeman10 :The proper turbo was ditched in the last week or two. Shame, but it can always be slapped on later I'm sure :D What have you done with yours since the day at SCC Sean? I completely forgot to call you the following day :rolleyes: Sounded as though you were going to be busy anyway..


hi m8

yeah was busy on sunday i ran the car at the performance ford daddy thrash really good day never pushed the car that hard, ended up destroying my head gasket at times i was running 31psi silly me hit the rev limiter using nitrous which is a big no no so i did'nt expect it to last.. so on my shopping list is a wideband 02 & egt gauge not cheap but its a must, and a bigger turbo exhaust housing going from 0.64 to 0.84 i'll have to get christmas out of the way first...


sean i still have the clips on camera ;) ill burn you a copy and give them to ya when i see you next :Q :Q

went out in sme of the fastest cars i have ever been in....Seans and Paul's Black NMS S2 :Q :Q :aviator: Sean...like the way you said you werent going for it and when we saw the top seed flash up :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

bassboy


thanks bassboy
top speed runs are gooooooooo but i need to do more i cant wait for next year so many big power fwd fords should be ready. i'm going to order my uprated driveshafts, and i have just found out how to setup my boost controller to have a different pressure per gear. i'll also have to speak to bernie to gain my top speed i have to drop my final drive to suit the engine. he is always going on about how the standard 3.82 final drive suits the engine Characteristics but it does'nt suit mine.
by the way bassboy what would a t70 turbo be like on my car i can get hold of one very cheap, only done a few hundred miles comes off a famous cosworth.
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Postby heeman10 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:27 pm

turboboss : i have just found out how to setup my boost controller to have a different pressure per gear.

Don't you use a Turbosmart eBoost controller? I wasn't aware of them being gear-mappable? Quality if it is, that'll sort all sorts of problems and make you a damn sight better off the line no doubt! Bet it'll only need about 8psi in first then you can be away and on the move! Good news about the driveshafts :)

It's funny you say that about the big power FWD Fords coming out next year. I was reeeeeeeally looking forward to the summer and tail end of this year, there seemed to be at least four 600+bhp Escort Cosworths in the final stages of completion a few months ago, but hardly any have surfaced :-?
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