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[Guest]

So, he has the kind of money to throw a touring car management system into a fiesta? Give me a break.
And I'd like to point out it is still std as it is a "package" that works for "this kind of engine" and works with the engine when the "chip" is written, not one like mine that can't be bought anywhere as no other car uses the same system that I do, plus I wrote the programs and built the loom, I call that "modified" or "non-standard". Ask Ahmed or Ian how they would run a car with 5:1 comp ratio with no lag that pushes 450+ out of a 1.8 zetec running 3-4 bar then I'll be impressed. I'll tell you now, if you turbo your car baby style you won't drop below 6.6:1 comp ratio and you'll still have lag.
I'm not saying they don't know what they are doing, cos they obviously do else people would go else where, but they know how to "modify" std equipment really well, not make new stuff. This is what I am saying to sunnyrst, he turbos and controls his car the std way, although it is a modified version of it. One chip can't control a whole engine for every single point in the rev range for every gear, accelerating, decelerating, braking, thats why I have a multitude of ECUs running different parts or reading different parts with a central ECU sorting them all out. Spread the load get the benifits. Its the same with anything in life, or engine. Your car is only as fast as the slowest part, usually the ecu.

[Excursion]

do you know what mate......

your a prick

[chumkila]

On 2002-01-13 12:15, me0u021e wrote:
So, he has the kind of money to throw a touring car management system into a fiesta? Give me a break.

May i just comment to the above remark. I am not trying to be funny or anything but please refrain from pre-judging ppl when especially you do not know them personally.

I'm not in anyway having a go at anyone but some remarks in this post are just not on.

[Guest]

Yeah fair play, I thought after writing, who spends lots on somethin? Everyone, well if they're into it enough, I know I do!

[PhilM]

Excursion Short, sweet and direct to the point. LOL.

Bit harsh tho this m0......seems sound enough, knows his stuff, gotta give him that. Certainyl if he designs his own ECUs etc .

He aint that bad.....always sweet to have a nice heated debate about stuff, Especially when lady of the nightging is involved, still, all taken with a pinch of salt .

Cheers

[Excursion]

LOL yeah but I cant believe the amount of crap this guy is sprouting!

"Ask Ahmed or Ian how they would run a car with comp ratio with no lag that pushes 450+ out of a 1.8 zetec running 3-4 bar then I'll be impressed. I'll tell you now, if you turbo your car baby style you won't drop below 6.6:1"

The answer to that one is they wouldnt - tell me how to drop the compression on a zetec to 5:1 and Ill show you round my art museum on the moon

[Guest]

Ok ask them if they could do it for you then. If you want to pick holes in my grammer then I suggest you visit the BBC learning zone where question papers are given to spot grammer mistakes.

[Excursion]

pardon sir? what was that replying to?

[Guest]

It was directed to your last comment excursion. I'd like to hear the response they give to running a car on 5:1 comp ratio and the possibilities behind it. If they feel it is unable to occur then I have somekind of blackhole in my room where one is sitting. So where does your art gallery on the moon come into this?

[Excursion]

youve got a zetec at 5:1, id love to see that.

[Guest]

You make out like it is some sort off mission and a half to drop compression ratio. The problem is the fact it is that low the car won't run. I thought you would understand that being as you tell me I spout crap.

[Excursion]

do you actually understand how low 5:1 is?

If you know anything about the engine you will know that even the most extremely modified Zetec head cannot possibly flow enough to run that sort of ratio

[Phil Si]

u said u have lowered it that low... then say its not runnable...? wtf u on about

[Guest]

Oh get a life excursion. learn what your writing about as well. The volume of air is still only just over 1800cc, it is just at a higher pressure. This means the walls have to be finely polished as the stagnation area is less at higher psi

[Guest]

sorry phil, you see I don't turbo std way. If a std turbo is used you ain't got a chance of running it on the road. Due to comp too low to spin turbo thus no boost produced, some sort of nos needs fitting.

[chumkila]

[Andy_XR2i]

me0u021e,

"I wrote the programs and built the loom"

Whoa!

What did you write the programs to run on? Hardware wise...

Cheers,

Andy.

[sunnyFRST]

me0u021e judging by your posts you know NOTHING!
fact : You can ALWAYS spot the idiots a mile of judging by the level of cr@p they post
Get a life, you don't know me or anything about my car and it's managment.
I bet you drive a Nova (even worse you wish you drove a Nova)!
Looking back at some of the things you've posted in this thread makes me laugh my a55 off!

Get a life will ya!
Simple answer to all of this.....your just jelious that your car 'probably a nova' aint as quick as most of the old grans that live in your area.
You never told us what you drive!? - but then again who really gives a cr@p. A guy can drive the best and fastest car in the world however if he aint got a life and has the mentality of a 2 year old then it's obviously no point is there!
You've already made quite an immpression with most people on this site regards to your lack of life and mentality!

I bet everyone used to pick on you and you used to sit on your own in school. What am I talking about you probably still are at school!

[Mental Mk2]

Cheers for your responce to the topic but everyone needs to calm down a bit before it gets to handbags at dorn

How much would it cost to have the conversion done dropping the ratio down that low?

[Mental Mk2]

And i don't want to be the first person to get done for causing a riot on the internet

[Excursion]

Yet more pooe !

Firstly:
Youve swayed from my original point son, You wont get a zetec head to flow 450

Secondly:
At the standard 10.5:1 comp ratio its 1798cc of air per cycle - fine - but at 5:1 its well over 1.8, in fact without the sums its pushing 2000cc

Thirdly:
YOU DONT MAKE ANY SENSE - I agree the stagnation area becomes less at higher psi - but polishing wont solve anything will it!! The stagnation area is pretty much irrelevant as the stock head has bugger all protustions anyway -and at higher Psi this becomes LESS of a problem due to the combined mass and speed of the charge - the shape of the port is much more important.


Yuve read a few books and you think you know what youre talkinga bout, id jsut shut up m8 I aint gonan bother replying cos you really dont know what your talking about.

goodnight babe xx

[Mental Mk2]

Helpppppppppppp

Im Lost

[Excursion]

whats up mate?

[Guest]

Ok polishing won't effect the stagnation area, If you think that you need to read some books. If you think something smooth has the same stagnation area as a something rough then you lose. How can you say there are no protrusion? There is a valve guide and a big fat valve stem in the way, plus the plenum chamber is pooe. The ports are widened out by 2mm as are the valves, as std valves don't work.
look the long and short of it is we are on two different levels of thinking. my system is completely different to anything you have encountered before.
I have a mk1 escort to put the engine in so when I do 'll be at the next trax or santa pod rippping up the tarmc, come down it will be good!

[chumkila]

boys boys i'm gona be the one to sort this out so i'm off to do my research!

[Guest]

Sorry chumkila but I don't think you will find the way. Unless you have a library like the one I have access to. Shelves and shelves devoted to turbo charging, super charging, electronics, programing, well it is the Engineering Library of Liverpool University. Look, I can see how it is hard for you to understand as I can't give you proof over the net at the moment. I'm getting a digital camera soon, then you can see it on my engine dyno as the readings are made. All I have to say on the matter is the fact that the way a std (as in the way all cars) are turbo charged is more for economy, anyone that thinks their car drinks petrol needs to think again, this is not an engine to drive to the shops in, it is purely made for performance. If a car has any lag what so ever then it isn't even close, and any car that, like mine, has zero lag, must have the same setup as mine. But that is unlikely.

[Guest]

Well mental mk2 its a bit complicated. The car runs off a laptop effectively. I wired the sensors and actuators up to the I/O ports and then data is processed in a stand alone program where variables can be changed at will. There is a backup ROM chip installed for safety in the occurance of a freeze, or just a problem so I could get home in such a case, but more importantly at the moment not destroy the engine.
It isn't that hard, there aren't that many variables to be put in actually, you just have to know how they corrolate to each other. The hard bit is the programing, had to get a mate to do that for me.
Are you looking 4 a zetec lump mental mk2?
I have one for sale as a client went and got banned so I have a spare engine. Can do a std turbo job for you on it if you want, not like mine though, its my major project see, thats why all the RESEARCH (the magic word) has gone into it. Knock it up 4 about £1000-£1500 (2nd a hand turbo), will be about 200-250hp depending on what spec you want. Will run off std management fine.

[chumkila]

me0u021e there you go doing it again m8. Why do you think i will not find the way??? you do not even know me!! i believe and KNOW i CAN find the way. anythings possible. RE: the library.... how bout full access to the Brunel Science & Engineering Library journals and books??!! But it would be great and very interesting to see you engine as it does sound tops if it is what you say it is. I for some reason do not believe that your engine has ZERO lag!! but thats just my opinion. So what was the programming done in?? Im curious [ERRR] if this m8 can program up what u say he has, i KNOW i can too.

[Andy_XR2i]

damn man, what i/o interface you using on your laptop?? you'd need some proper a/d hardware there!

I'll leave compression ratio and lag to the engine monkeys, it's just the electronics and interfacing that's got me curious...

[Guest]

Oh sorry chumkila, didn't know that, you have equally as good a chance of building a fat engine like mine then. Oh beleive me it has no lag in fact it has minus infinity lag effectivly. This is what swings it for my engine, turbo charging as it stands in todays automotive industry is crap.
As for I/O the magic box plugs into the I/O then the computer understands the signals, can't tell anymore else how would I make money writing chips???

[Excursion]

you really are a silly little boy arent you, a weally weally silly little boy!!

SILLY BOY!!

SILLY SILLY BOY!!!

HAHAHAHA RAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

[bcracknell]

cool....this is getting just like the RSOC board - makes for interesting and entertaining reading. Keep it up!!

[festajon]

What car have u got me0u021e? Ian has established a very very highly regarded reputation in the wonderful world of tuning, and i'm sure if he could have knocked up a 450 BHP engine for half the price he does his own ones for but at double the power then i think he might have just done that. I don't know too much bout turbos but i do know that 5:1 is VERY fu(king low and to stop it all going bang would take some doing.

U said u could do all this for £2500 too. a turbo of the standard u were talking of would surely have to have ceramics, 360 degree thrust bearing, etc, and a second hand one's gonna cost about £800 outright. U gotta be talking t3+ here, probably t3.5 for 450 bhp, then u got the intercooler, oil cooler, new ecu or whatever the jolly flip it is u use, then the NOS u said u use, then the engine itself which i'm sure would have all internals made of steel like conrods, pistons etc. Then fitting, mapping, tweaking, etc. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!

I've got a mate called MARTIN HADLAND who'd be very interested in meeting u at the pod. He runs a fairly standard-ish escort cossie

[chumkila]

[bcracknell]

Sounds like Martin would be very interested to meet you maybe his 500bhp could become 5000bhp with this sort of conversion!
Martin's cossie has got to be one (if not THE) most respected in the country if this was possible I'm sure he would have used it to get his world record speed and it would be a common conversion by now - cmon turbocharging's not exactly a new idea and the internal combustion engine isn't exactly a new invention either - would have though those guys in Japan might have done something too by now along those lines.
me thinks I can smell bullsh1t