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[Guest]

OK, for starters I don't run NOS.
Secondly I know Martins car is quick, it does under 10sec quarters.
BUT, he uses a modified version of an economical system.
All cars that are made by car manufacturers are made to be as economical as possible with good power.
This system can't give the gains required as they won't boost is comp ratio is 5:1.
Look, I don't think anyone of you know nothing about turbocharging, what you don't know about is my system. It works completely differently to anything you have seen before. This is because I did research, the research wasn't even done within the automotive industry. Yes Ian or Martin could probably build a better engine than me using std techniques of turbo charging, but then I don't uses those techniques.
look lets sort out what we agree on.
1. Having a turbo compress the air is better than the engine compressing the air with the piston.
2. More air = more fuel.
3. more fuel = more power

[chumkila]

[Robz_Fester]

Been reading this for a while ....

Surely if it is so effective then why wouldn't have say a touring car have used it? jolly flip why don't F1 cars sue the way your talking about. Regulations rararar I know, but surely you cannot be the first human being to have ever applied 'your' theory to a combustion engine if it is sooo effective. Racing teams don't give a $hit about economy do they?? I think thats what everyone is trying to say.

[Guest]

Yes the texaco capris used a similar method, they got 350-400hp from 1.4 litre 16v engines. I didn't say I invented it I just stumbled across it and have made a few variations.

[Guest]

in fairness I'd say that was quite effective, don't you? You can check on those figures, I read them in a book about them incase you don't beleive me, but then its not std so probably won't be beleived even though there is a book by FORD written about it. Oh well, can't win em all, lets wait for a santa pod sesh I recon.

[Excursion]

On and on again you prat!

Oh BTW
works escorts 1700 crossflow engines made 210bhp flywheel in 1974 - NATURALLY ASPIRATED using the first type of high pressure fuel injection

thoses figures arent anything special

you talk utter co(k

[Bad Boy Si]

Reading all this was entertainment!!

keep it up lads

in Me0u021e's defence if he comes up with the goods then we will have to give him respect, he seems to know what hes talking about.Me0u021e If your money making system is so more advanced than our std turboing,ecu's etc. then prove it to us, instead of telling us about books you have read, prove it Me0u021e. Then and only then will they listen. so do it.

thats if u can prove it

[festajon]

This whole post started out as someone just wanting a zetec turbo conversion. U offered him one, but now you're saying u can't use it on the roads and it would do 1metre a gallon! what's the use in that?

The fastest 'small engined' Zetec i've seen is an 850bhp 2.1 zetec focus drag car!!!!! That had a 150bhp NOS kit on it, and a T7 turbo! did a quarter mile in 8.7 seconds BUT they have had problems with the engine blowing up between gearshifts due to the anti-lag control. This engine management is worth more than most cars u've ever dreamed of buying and they still have problems! I can't see how you can do it with some laptop and a few IO connectors that's gonna cost a grand maximum or £600 trade. I've built PC's and set up a few networks in my time to know how different BIOS's, motherboards and the I/O connections work, it's not that hard to understand. Also what things could u possibly want to control that haven't already been run to the ECU? i mean the UNI-chip does a basic version of what you're talking about and u can map everything every 400rpm throughout the rev range. You can even control a 5th injector
I'm not having a go (well i suppose i am! ) but i just don't see how u can justify your pricing and methods for huge BHP.
I design Web pages at uni combined with business management, marketing and a load of other stuff, but i'm not gonna walk up to bill gates and say "nah mate you don't wanna design it like that it should be more like this, oh... and that's all wrong mate....no no no. Give your company here and i'll run it for you!"

He's been in the game for years and a uni student couldn't compete with his knowledge of the industry and how to design software.

I just think u should back down a bit till u can prove it. If u've never built an engine to the spec to the standard you're talkin of u haven't got a leg to stand on! If u have then u must have tested it and have a few dyno read offs to scan in and show to everyone.

Anyhow, another rant over!

Jon

[festajon]

PS that focus 2.1 zetec held 32psi boost and had a compression ratio of 8:1 and the rear tyres were 13" wide. Good luck old fruity!

[Guest]

OK, again my point has been missed. I didn't say it couldn't be used on the roads, I said I won't build another because the costs would be huge. I get things on the cheap or aquire them over time, this engine took about 1 1/2 years to get my head round in the first place. So telling you in a few lines of text (as this whole web conversation is, compared to the text I have read) is impossible. I have read that many books on turbocharging it is stupid. If you say that a car can't be run off a computer then that is just stupid, how do you think chips are written? You can't write more detail from a less detailed source can you. So cut out the middle man (the chip) and bobs you uncle. As for the drag car it uses again a different system that I wouldn't touch with excursion! Anti-lag is a bad game, plus it wears the bores out nice and quick. 5 injectors, add on another 3 to that number please, more of less is more accurate.
Excursion please read what I said CAPRI not escort, you probably are right about the escort but I reffered to the CAPRI.
OK now to the costs.
Boost means power. High comp and boost requires strength.
I don't require the same level of strength as I run lower comp.
Lower comp + more boost gives same stress as high comp + no boost. Its quite a simple equation.
With strengthening costs reduced then the item is cheaper.
I'd like to mention that a car with 8:1 comp ratio running 32psi is bound to go bang, anyone can see that. Realisticly an should only take between 15-20psi max to run reliably, there are equations to prove this but large amounts of background working.
The engine is setup but on a simple water dyno, got a few more mods to do till perfect. But the proof will be at Santa Pod I believe, wots the point in the power if the car sits there spinning up? aka anti-lag. Thats where the 13" tyres come in on the drag car.

[bcracknell]

festajon, Good point made about the tyres. makes me wonder how the hell is me0u021e going to get that power on the road? (what car is it going in?) your're sure as hel not going to do that cheaply - As far as I know Sunny is one of the only people here to have invested heavily in transmission of engine power to the wheels and Quaife boxes and diffs sure aint cheap!
C'mon meou021e give us some proof!!
I'd be really interested in the bore and stroke sizing of you're engine to enable a 5:1 compression ratio, working on a 1.8 zetec bottom end.

[chumkila]

me0u021e if that engine is as you say AND runs as reliably as u say then i'm first on the books for a conv.

[Bad Boy Si]

me0u021e i can relate to the way you are thinking. How you have a laptop to run various different parts of your car, instead of low capacity standard ecu's. me too. I run my fiesta si off my toaster, kettle and sometimes if im feeling dangerous i hook up the fridge, i get 1/4 mile times in under 2 secs, this is how i did it i read it in a book in the library at my college, i toast some bread then make a cup of tea then butter the bread from the fridge , then.............................

massive increase in speed from 1.6 16v, i cant say where put the toast etc. as i want to make some money out of it ,hmmm we think alike hey

[chumkila]

[festajon]

I'll be using a microwave for mine badboySI. when that baby goes 'ping' you'll know about it!!!!

I'm not saying u can't run it off a laptop meu, i'm just wondering what more u'd need to control. U also said your system had no lag so that's why i was talking anti-lag, but i guess u get that through the laptop system u devised anyway, controling all these different parts.

Only reason i said about the boost is cos u reckon u could run one of your conversions with roughly 43psi or something (3 bar) right at the beginning of this post, so i was mearly saying that even a drag strip car runs a steady 32 and how the hell could u do it. I'm only going by what u said.

It's like when excursion said about polishing the stagnation walls woun't do any good after u just said that was what was needed for it to work! Then after he answered u said of course that wouldn't help!

I don't know, i'm outta here!

Jon

[Bad Boy Si]

[sunnyFRST]

Look right (I am seriously trying to type without laughing here but it really aint easy ) - I aint even gonna bother commenting on some of the cr@p you posted earlier in this thread me0u021e.
All I am saying is that if your way of thought and your car is so special....How comes you wasn't selected to compete in ' the 10 of the best shoot out' arranged by the 200+ club of GB!?? I know was (Oh I know, your gonna say not that many people know of your car or it aint complete - now there's a surprise! ).
You can not comment on anything you don't know about (no one can). You know nothing about my engine, managment etc - So hush your non-sense talk!
If you got anything to prove to....why don't you meet me and race your super *ahm* *cough cough* car against my fiesta.
Now there's a challenge that surely you can't afford to refuse!
I've been there and done it many a time to prove a point to all the pretenders.
Worst thing is I have nothing to prove however when people such as yourself come on here running your mouth about your special *cough cough - must do sommin about this cough cough* conversion / car - Sometimes it's better simply to put people in their places.
me0u021e - come on....seriously - You know and I know you aint ever gonna race me in real life (you can run your mouth all day long on here and claim that you will) but we all know the score.
I rest my case - Nuff said!
Oh btw - How much are your special me0u021e conversions and how much power can you expect to gain at the flywheel!? - Actually, you know what.....don't worry about it....heard enough BS for one day.

Take care and drive carefully with all of that awesome special secret formular power you got there

Sunny.

[Robz_Fester]

I'd fecking pi$$ meself if he done you now Sunny




As Sunny keeps pointing out that no-one can speak of his management system and / or car who don't know about it I reckon we should at least give meu the same privelidges, it's only fair.
However the proof is in the poudding as they say and I think there's gonna be some killa grudge matches come strip time!

PS Make suer everyone knows when you two race each other - I'm certain if meus power claims are true people would pay good money to see you two going up the strip against each other!

[sunnyFRST]

The diffierence is that anyone can come on here and claim anything (for example Robz_Fester claims 300+bhp ) but untill you prove it your claims don't mean 5h1t!
I've got solid proof with backing of experts what do you have me0u021e!?? (exactly! )

You don't need to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to sus out where the non-sense and sense is in this thread - Nuff Said

Sunny.

[Robz_Fester]

If I wanted 300+bhp I'd go out, buy a mint 300zx for 6k, (280bhp as standard) then put a zorst and filter on it which would almost definately get me a very reliable (basically factory) 300+bhp!!! Therefore I get a mint motor tuned and styled as I want for under 8k

and over 300bhp

But then I do like Jap motors.... (TRAITOR!!!)

[sunnyFRST]

Rob - You missed my point totally 'in reference to using your car as an example - I used BOLD lettering even'.
There are loads of 300bhp+ zx's and cossies out there because everyones done it. How many genuine 320+bhp fiesta's are there!? Besides I kill 300zx's and 350bhp cossies in my little fiesta

Sunny.

[Andy Si]

FOMCLMFAO - One of the best threads i read in ages

[Starky]

The difference is though Sunny, your cars a fiesta and will last about 5,000 miles before it falls apart with that BHP!!
Don't get me wrong buddy U have a BEAUTIFUL car and I'm not slating it at all & it's swift I bet!! But it ain't built like a Impreza or a Boxter now is it, it's a FORD FIESTA!
Like Rob says I think we should let MeO build his engine if he wants to build it without giving him grief and slating him [ERRR] if he does come up with the goods then your gonna look v.silly
If he doesn't then not to worry, Sunny wins the 'battle of the posts'!

Just out of intrest how much have you spent on UR car? Must be loads by now?

D

[AdrianFRST]

Oh Mr me0u021e! Some people here would like a word with you:

http://www.rsownersclub.co.uk/cgi-bin/u ... 3&t=030454

Thank you!

[chumkila]

oh btw meu i was speaking to someone yesterday and he nearly died on the otherside of the phone line when i told him about this post. I thought he'd had a heart attack from all the laughing. But again I AM NOT judging you, i'm just stating a fact that my VERY VERY VERY reliable source who has worked in the industry for many years just doesnt believe you.

[sunnyFRST]

On 2002-01-17 10:03, Starky wrote:
The difference is though Sunny, your cars a fiesta and will last about 5,000 miles before it falls apart with that BHP!!

I am not quite sure what you mean there mate. I'll post another thread when my 5000 miles are up to prove the reliability and strength of my new engine. Gosh I wonder why I spent so much money on reliability (steel con-rods, proper low comp pistons, pectel, quaife etc) -

Sunny.

[Ian C70T5]

Oh dear not another one

[chumkila]

[Robz_Fester]

Sunny,

Starkys talking about the rest of the car I think, the engine will go on forever the way its been put together probably.

Oh yeah and I didn't miss the point either, I was just refering to the snide commments (ie the laughing after your 'example').
I wouldn't even bother lying or claiming even anything above 100bhp Sunny. But then again I couldn't particuarlly give a to$$. See I see it like this; whats the point in me spending $$$$ (how much have you spent???) on an engine / gearbox / clutch / brakes when I am going to use it to its full extent probably about twice a year? All the rest of the time I'd rather be driving around in my 1.4si as opposed to an absolute monster which eats petrol like theres no tomorrow. Very good for racing, but I personally don't see any point whatsoever for having that much power in a day to day car. On the roads round London I could probably get from A - B as fast as a Diablo SV, yet I'd use about a tenth of the petrol - I don't see the point really (except the SV is sex on wheels).
We all know by now that you've got one of (if not the) best fiestas in the country so whats the point in constantly putting everyone else down? My momma told me not to play with fire but she also taught me respect for others.

[chumkila]

I do believe in a car being used each and everyday myself. No matter what mods have been carried out, they SHOULD be reliable if done properly.

[sunnyFRST]

On 2002-01-17 13:11, Robz_Fester wrote:
Sunny,

Starkys talking about the rest of the car I think, the engine will go on forever the way its been put together probably.

Oh yeah and I didn't miss the point either, I was just refering to the snide commments (ie the laughing after your 'example').
I wouldn't even bother lying or claiming even anything above 100bhp Sunny. But then again I couldn't particuarlly give a to$$. See I see it like this; whats the point in me spending $$$$ (how much have you spent???) on an engine / gearbox / clutch / brakes when I am going to use it to its full extent probably about twice a year? All the rest of the time I'd rather be driving around in my 1.4si as opposed to an absolute monster which eats petrol like theres no tomorrow. Very good for racing, but I personally don't see any point whatsoever for having that much power in a day to day car. On the roads round London I could probably get from A - B as fast as a Diablo SV, yet I'd use about a tenth of the petrol - I don't see the point really (except the SV is sex on wheels).
We all know by now that you've got one of (if not the) best fiestas in the country so whats the point in constantly putting everyone else down? My momma told me not to play with fire but she also taught me respect for others.

Rob! - We obviously have diffierent life styles!
What you assume Starkey is talking about is your assuption and whatever Starkey's talking about is his assuptions. Neither of you know what my engine or the rest of my car consists of (This conversaion brings rings a bell with another poster comming on here and saying the same cr@p)
You might use a car of that caliber twice a year not me.
Regardless, I don't see your point. You obviously took my example of your car the wrong way even after I made it bold above that it was an example! hhmmmm..... Ok hopefully 2nd time round you will understand that point
The point in spending x-amount of money on my car or anyone's car is their business not no-one elses (nuff said) - I certainly have my reasons!
Now, where the hell do you see me dissing other peoples cars in reference to your last sentance - Don't accuse people and make them look like they said and ment something which they didn't say. Yes I did post comments about what my opinion was to what me0u021e was going on about (so did everyone else on here and the rsoc board)!!!
This is a discussion board - thats what people do here and there's a diffierence between dissing other peoples cars and commenting on other peoples posts (doh! hello ...FT.COM Discussion Board NOT Dissing Board).
I stress my point again - Where the feck have you seen my dissing other peoples cars!? - Don't put words in my mouth!

Sunny.

[ArronXR2i]

ok RSOC Replica Fights + Many People, and a Sprinkling of Photoshop


i found a picture of his car lads




if you notice, it isnt actually a zetec, its a twin cosworth engine fitted into a fiesta, HOW IS THIS SO? you ask, well both engines are rotated 45Degrees to centre diode capacitor residual cam shaft following centre force of gravitational remapped circular asymetric chip bearing thrust flowed 450bhp custom badboybonnet chip, faster, harder faster, variable time zetec / vtec / pectel / standard capacitor regulator switch, loom sensors over the inside computer management (ECU / CPU / DIK / GIMP) which all runs off the main touring car thrust bearing diameter that is gas flowed..............................

[Bad Boy Si]

[sunnyFRST]

lol @ Moosey!

[chumkila]

@Moosey!