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[Quantum]

So what engine management are all you FRST owners using on your ZVH engines? I am slowly preparing my car for a conversion and the biggest question mark at the moment is what engine management to use.

I know the EEC-IV management is quite good, but Ford designed it to be difficult to tune. Having seen another car last night with the ZVH and EEC-IV management I know it can be done, but what sort of power is available? (Probably more than enough for my requirements) I know you will need to run beige injectors, but at what power will these cause the engine to run lean?

What I am currently think I need is:
Beige Injectors
FSE Power Boost (for higher fuel pressure rates)
Fully Mapable Chip (which one)

Obviously the car will already have the other essentials done, I'm just not so sure about the engine management.

Regards,
Stephen

[AdrianFRST]

On this board:

Mike Gurney - 2.1 16v Zetec Turbo - EEC-IV
Paul J - 2.1 16v Zetec Turbo - EEC-IV
Muffking - 1.8 16v Zetec Turbo - EEC-IV
Crazy Dave - 1.8 16v Zetec Turbo - EEC-IV
Sunny - 2.0 zvh - EEC-IV
Sunny - 2.1 zvh - Pectel T2

Others:

Ian's own 2.1 16v Turbo - EEC-IV at the moment
Andy Stone - 1.8 zvh - EEC-IV
Alex (forget surname) 2.1 zvh - EEC-IV

Beige injectors are good for up to 230bhp. You'll need an uprated fuel pump as well and the FSE's are a waste of time.

For a map either Ahmed (the best but very busy) or somewhere like Racepower Motorsport or BSW.

[Quantum]

Cheers Ade, that was quick, but I think the time is slightly wrong!

What sort of uprated fuel pump can you use? ie a Escort Cossie item of similar.

Also I have spoken to Racepower and they only thing they couldn't help me one was the engine management as they had never used the EEC-IV before. That was several months ago, so they may now have the correct experiance.

I'm really gonna have to start looking harder for the donor engine

Regards,
Stephen

[sunnyFRST]

EEC-IV is fine for most. Depends how far down the tuning road you want to go. I think it's something like once you go over the 250'ish bhp mark EEC-IV isn't good enough and just simply can not cope (I know there are cars out there that are over 250 bhp using EEC-IV managment, I am not disputing that, however they are not mapped to their full advantage 'this is comming from the experts NOT my opinion).
Injectors is the same kind of issue. May I recommend 'Abarth' or cossie 803's for round the 300 bhp or higher area .

Oh and lads - thats GENUINE 250 bhp. No disrespect to anyone, there's tons of people claiming STUPID amounts of power when in real life it's nothing close to what they claim (I think the Magizine rolling road articles speak for themselves) as I am sure you'll agree.

I know a couple of people in my area (where RS Turbo's are EVERYWHERE) that say "I got 350 bhp and my cars faster than yours!"
After lifting up their bonnet and discovering that they still got the same FRST exhust manifiold and standard turbo with EEC-IV managment - Somehow, I don't think so.

On the other hand, Tuner's tend to talk alot of spork aswell (my old engine for example, was very powerful - Power engineering say upto this day my car has been the most powerful FRST on their rollers, fine but there's no need to boost up the figures is there! .

Then again on the other hand I do know that there certainly are ALOT of GENUINE fast Turbo's out there this year (lads, you know who you are - big up yourselves Mr.Howell and Ahmed!)

I am sure I've starting to drift of the original subject (sorry, Sunny has a habbit of going on and on! )

Sunny.

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[AdrianFRST]

You'll need Weber Marelli to use cossie injectors as the impedance is different to EEC-IV ones.

[sunnyFRST]

Precisely why I am using 'Abarth Injectors' (which are better) with my Pectel T2.

Sunny.

[Quantum]

While I've got your attention, is there any advantage to the newer 2.0 Zetecs? I know they have oil sprays on the underside of the pistons, but from what year?

Regards,
Stephen

[sunnyFRST]

from 1993 (when the 2.0 zetec's first came out) - All 2.0 Zetec's had oil jets.
It's the early 1800's that didn't and ofcourse at a later date (which I don't know) 1800's were also fitted with these oil jets.

Sunny.

[fiesta_fras]

u can tell an early zetec from a late one by looking at the writing on the cam cover the ealier had 16v in a different font i thk, more scripted is probly a later one, il chk tn

[sunnyFRST]

Sorry mabe I should of made it a little clearer....
I am led to believe that ALL 2.0 zetecs have and have always had oil feed jets!

This issue is only arrises with smaller capacity engines whether or not they have the oil jets fitted or not.

Sunny.

[philhoward]

For a ZVH in a Quantum, why not have a look at Jim Hearne's 2.0, running on DTA. http://www.jimhearne.co.uk

[Quantum]

Phil,

I know Jim quite well, but his car is based on a Mk2 Fiesta and the engine is from a Escort RS turbo, so is quite different.

However his site is quite excellent. Hopefully I will actually see his car shortly.

Regards,
Stephen

[bassboy]

how powerful is Jim's car supposed to be? ive read alot about the conversions etc hes been doing...just curious to know [ERRR] power figures??

bassboy

[Quantum]

When I last asked he was still running it in. When I've asked him about power he's a bit vague. As he has done a large amount of the work himself I think he's not sure of the final power, but I'm sure it'll be well into the 200's.

I'll see if I can find out any more info.

Regards,
Stephen

[bassboy]

cheeRS for that m8...what about urs?? [ERRR] power figures?

bassboy

[Quantum]

Well the answer I got from Jim was that he would expect about 250bhp - no bad going really.

Myself, well the car is using mostly standard FRST components, so I'd say around 130bhp. Basically a standard unchipped ECU, standard engine, Magnex exhaust and K&N panel filter. It holds 8psi boost all day.

Regards,
Stephen

[bassboy]

thats pretty good m8!!! must be quick as well [ERRR] there aint much weight on the motor either...well done m8!

bassboy

[philhoward]

There's virtually no ERST engine left - apart from the manifold & T3! The bottom end's 2.0Zetec, and the Head's a flowed EFi one (as per Fezzy). He's running DTA with Cossie greens on a standard 1.6EFi inlet manifold. Anyone done a turbo'd 16V Zetec (apart from Ford) - and who built the turbo manifold?

[AdrianFRST]

Ian's built a few:



Exhaust manifold is ERST and inlet manifold is his own design.

[GTechR]

Muffking has just finished puting his 16v turbo in his 3i, he should have it up and runnin for the UXR weekend!!

[Mike Gurney]

Mike runs eeciv ofab and an escort cossie map sensor

The problem with ofac is that the map sensor cannot read above 1.1 bar.

if U use ofab you can use the cossie map sensor and then it can be mapped for much more boost.

sunny what is max boost on your beast ?

The pectel managment can do clever things like multiple firing of injectors to get more fuel - but if the injectors are up to the job you don't need to worry.

My injectors are Racing Motoguzzi ones - about the same as a set of greens.

Hope this helps

Mike.

[sunnyFRST]

Hi Mike!
Dunno yet mate, Ahmed will be dyno'ing my new engine hopefully next week'ish when the dyno is next available.
His comments were "we will keep on turning up the boost until the engine can not produce anymore more power".
There's so many cars out there with runnin mad amounts of boost but whats the point if the engine can only produce a certain amount of power. Surely this is not good. I assume that taken this into consideration I would probably be running around 22psi but don't quote me as yet.
Getting very anxious now!

Sunny.

ps- Are you ever gonna come back to the proper side of the world r not one day!?

[Mike Gurney]

Hi Sunny

Glad to hear your car is running ok - I hear its a bit of a gearbox muncher - I'm on my third box and I think the extra power will kill this one !!

I'm planning a mt75 for my next box with special ratio's - but that's another story.

Ahmed is hoping for a similar amount of boost from mine - they did some tests and it was fueling very well.

I will be back in the northern hemisphere in a few months - i've still got New Zealand and Tailand to visit first !!

hope to see you when I return

Mike.

[sunnyFRST]

Mike,
to say that you get a around a bit would be quite an understatment!

I hope your taking loadsa pics of fit girlies!

Sunny.

[Mike Gurney]

Yeah Loads of pics with me with them !!

at the mo i'm seeing a really fit Kiwi girl
she's blonde and a size 8

another one was a Swedish/Norwegion girl I met in FIJI - boy she was hot and really knew how to satisfy a man !!!

any way hope to see you all soon

Mike.